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It is strange to me how many think that “you are going to die” is a harsher threat than “you will live a long life that will be severely crippled”. If I die, I

by ay 5y ago

It is strange to me how many think that “you are going to die” is a harsher threat than “you will live a long life that will be severely crippled”. If I die, I cease to exist. So, while from the standpoint of the pre-death me, it is very unfortunate, the post-death me is either a null or an ephemeral entity in a different dimension (depending on which of the belief systems works) Remaining in the same spatial domain but set back into oblivion by my own choices is about as close to the definition of hell as it can get.

AussieWog93 5y ago
Do you have kids? The thought of my daughter growing up without her daddy around scares me more than the thought of chronic pain or weakness.
- walterbell 5y ago
  Why did Pfizer data for their COVID-19 vaccine not report the injury and paralysis of a 12-year-old participant in the clinical trial? From a June 2021 article by Robert Kennedy's CHD non-profit org, https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/sen-johnson-ken-ruettgers-press-conference-families-injured-covid-vaccines/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/sen-johnson-ken-... > Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) held a news conference Monday to discuss adverse reactions related to the COVID vaccines — giving individuals who have been “repeatedly ignored” by the medical community a platform to share their stories ... Among them was Maddie de Garay from Ohio who volunteered for the Pfizer vaccine trial when she was 12. On Jan. 20, Maddie received her second dose of the Pfizer COVID vaccine as a participant in the clinical trial for 12- to 15-year-olds and is now in a wheelchair ... “Why is she not back to normal? She was totally fine before this,” said Stephanie de Garay, Maddie’s mother. She volunteered for the Pfizer vaccine trial “to help everyone else and they’re not helping here. Before Maddie got her final dose of the vaccine she was healthy, got straight As, had lots of friends and had a life.” > ... Upon receiving the second shot, Maddie immediately felt pain at the injection site and over the next 24-hours developed severe abdominal and chest pain, de Garay said at the press event. Maddie told her mother it felt like her heart was being ripped out through her neck, and she had painful electrical shocks down her neck and spine that forced her to walk hunched over ... She developed gastroparesis, nausea and vomiting, erratic blood pressure, memory loss, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, fainting, seizures, verbal and motor tics, menstrual cycle issues, lost feeling from the waist down, lost bowel and bladder control and had an nasogastric tube placed because she lost her ability to eat. > ... Johnson argued that while most people don’t suffer significant side effects following vaccination, he is concerned about “that small minority that are suffering severe symptoms.” 80-min video of June 2021 news conference: https://rumble.com/vj5xbf-senator-ron-johnson-milwaukee-news-conference.html https://rumble.com/vj5xbf-senator-ron-johnson-milwaukee-news... The more we know about the statistical minority who suffer severe adverse reactions, the better we can screen vaccine recipients to avoid unusual but life-altering injuries.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Great question. The unfortunate thing about the reporting from Kennedy's org is they raise questions like this without chasing them. They are only half curious and the result is a half story.
    - manwe150 5y ago
      They also seem to have limited understanding of statistics, chasing anecdotes and ignoring results (the data eventually has tended to contradict their messaging). Unfortunately, I agree that makes them rather useless as a source for answers, and means even if they do find an anomaly, it will be lost in their self-generated noise ratio. Plus, a broken clock is right twice a day, and all that.
      - walterbell 5y ago
        What do you think of Steve Kirsch's analysis of VAERS and his testimony to the recent FDA advisory committee meeting? https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf > Analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database can be used to estimate the number of excess deaths caused by the COVID vaccines. A simple analysis shows that it is likely that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the current COVID vaccines as of Aug 28, 2021 ... I’m offering a $1M academic grant to anyone who can show the analysis is flawed by a factor of 4 or more in either direction and provide a more accurate analysis to the correct number. We’ll have a panel of 3 judges decide if we disagree. Please send me an InMail on LinkedIn if you think you found I was off by a factor of 4 or more. First one to show the “correct” answer gets the $1M research grant. 2021-09-17 testimony to FDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15617s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15617s Kirsch founded the C-19 Early Treatment Fund, https://www.treatearly.org/ https://www.treatearly.org/
        manwe150 5y ago
        Even if I was to accept that 150k deaths was plausible (which I don’t, since that would show up in excess deaths and other gross statistical measures), that’s still more 10x safer than being unvaccinated (we’ve vaccinated far more people than have gotten COVID, and at a much lower death rate). If the high estimates by someone openly against this vaccine still tell you it is far safer to be vaccinated, what does tell you about what I think of Steve Kirsch?
- grepfru_it 5y ago
  What if you caught covid in the early months of 2020 and have already suffered all of the debilitating long haul effects? Now you are actively living with the new normal that covid has left to your body? That is where I am right now. My wife is double jabbed and has the worst cough in the world (after a weeks of all of the signs of covid she has tested positive for antibodies) meanwhile I have not even had so much as a sore throat. I tested positive 15 months ago. Why do I need to be vaccinated? FWIW I plan on getting the next redesigned booster but for now I see no reason to sign up
  - manwe150 5y ago
    I think it would be reasonable to say ‘up to you’ since your risk to the public is negligible, but first what research have you done? Or are you avoiding decision making? Your risks are decidedly low in either way you decide. But currently, the CDC’s data suggest your net risk would be even lower if you get the currently approved dose, particularly while delta cases are still high and hospitals overwhelmed (e.g. and not procrastinating till it too goes away)
  - jlebar 5y ago
    People like you who had a mild case may benefit most from the vaccine, because you may be the least likely to have developed long-lasting antibodies. You've seen what the virus can do. Why chance it? I'm sorry to hear about your wife. I hope she gets better. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/574284-natural-covid-19-immunity-is-powerful-but-kind-of-irrelevant https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/574284-natural-covid-...
    - grepfru_it 5y ago
      A) my case was not mild B) you may have missed the last line of my comment C) trying to understand how this extremely contagious virus managed to not infect me while my wife and I shared bathrooms, beds, and car rides together. My best assumption is that I still carry immunity
      - jlebar 5y ago
Jenda_ 5y ago
This is not the case of long COVID, though, as 1) the symptoms seem definitely bad, but IMHO not as a life not worth living 2) they usually don't remove the physical ability to commit suicide, so one can "fall back" to the "you are going to die" option (which I would of course, as per point 1, not recommend)
- grepfru_it 5y ago
  I had long haul for 9 months. I do not recommend it to anyone. It gave me PTSD

by ay 5y ago

AussieWog93 5y ago

Do you have kids? The thought of my daughter growing up without her daddy around scares me more than the thought of chronic pain or weakness.

walterbell 5y ago
Why did Pfizer data for their COVID-19 vaccine not report the injury and paralysis of a 12-year-old participant in the clinical trial? From a June 2021 article by Robert Kennedy's CHD non-profit org, https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/sen-johnson-ken-ruettgers-press-conference-families-injured-covid-vaccines/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/sen-johnson-ken-... > Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) held a news conference Monday to discuss adverse reactions related to the COVID vaccines — giving individuals who have been “repeatedly ignored” by the medical community a platform to share their stories ... Among them was Maddie de Garay from Ohio who volunteered for the Pfizer vaccine trial when she was 12. On Jan. 20, Maddie received her second dose of the Pfizer COVID vaccine as a participant in the clinical trial for 12- to 15-year-olds and is now in a wheelchair ... “Why is she not back to normal? She was totally fine before this,” said Stephanie de Garay, Maddie’s mother. She volunteered for the Pfizer vaccine trial “to help everyone else and they’re not helping here. Before Maddie got her final dose of the vaccine she was healthy, got straight As, had lots of friends and had a life.” > ... Upon receiving the second shot, Maddie immediately felt pain at the injection site and over the next 24-hours developed severe abdominal and chest pain, de Garay said at the press event. Maddie told her mother it felt like her heart was being ripped out through her neck, and she had painful electrical shocks down her neck and spine that forced her to walk hunched over ... She developed gastroparesis, nausea and vomiting, erratic blood pressure, memory loss, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, fainting, seizures, verbal and motor tics, menstrual cycle issues, lost feeling from the waist down, lost bowel and bladder control and had an nasogastric tube placed because she lost her ability to eat. > ... Johnson argued that while most people don’t suffer significant side effects following vaccination, he is concerned about “that small minority that are suffering severe symptoms.” 80-min video of June 2021 news conference: https://rumble.com/vj5xbf-senator-ron-johnson-milwaukee-news-conference.html https://rumble.com/vj5xbf-senator-ron-johnson-milwaukee-news... The more we know about the statistical minority who suffer severe adverse reactions, the better we can screen vaccine recipients to avoid unusual but life-altering injuries.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Great question. The unfortunate thing about the reporting from Kennedy's org is they raise questions like this without chasing them. They are only half curious and the result is a half story.
  - manwe150 5y ago
    They also seem to have limited understanding of statistics, chasing anecdotes and ignoring results (the data eventually has tended to contradict their messaging). Unfortunately, I agree that makes them rather useless as a source for answers, and means even if they do find an anomaly, it will be lost in their self-generated noise ratio. Plus, a broken clock is right twice a day, and all that.
    - walterbell 5y ago
      What do you think of Steve Kirsch's analysis of VAERS and his testimony to the recent FDA advisory committee meeting? https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf > Analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database can be used to estimate the number of excess deaths caused by the COVID vaccines. A simple analysis shows that it is likely that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the current COVID vaccines as of Aug 28, 2021 ... I’m offering a $1M academic grant to anyone who can show the analysis is flawed by a factor of 4 or more in either direction and provide a more accurate analysis to the correct number. We’ll have a panel of 3 judges decide if we disagree. Please send me an InMail on LinkedIn if you think you found I was off by a factor of 4 or more. First one to show the “correct” answer gets the $1M research grant. 2021-09-17 testimony to FDA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15617s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15617s Kirsch founded the C-19 Early Treatment Fund, https://www.treatearly.org/ https://www.treatearly.org/
      - manwe150 5y ago
        Even if I was to accept that 150k deaths was plausible (which I don’t, since that would show up in excess deaths and other gross statistical measures), that’s still more 10x safer than being unvaccinated (we’ve vaccinated far more people than have gotten COVID, and at a much lower death rate). If the high estimates by someone openly against this vaccine still tell you it is far safer to be vaccinated, what does tell you about what I think of Steve Kirsch?
grepfru_it 5y ago
What if you caught covid in the early months of 2020 and have already suffered all of the debilitating long haul effects? Now you are actively living with the new normal that covid has left to your body? That is where I am right now. My wife is double jabbed and has the worst cough in the world (after a weeks of all of the signs of covid she has tested positive for antibodies) meanwhile I have not even had so much as a sore throat. I tested positive 15 months ago. Why do I need to be vaccinated? FWIW I plan on getting the next redesigned booster but for now I see no reason to sign up
- manwe150 5y ago
  I think it would be reasonable to say ‘up to you’ since your risk to the public is negligible, but first what research have you done? Or are you avoiding decision making? Your risks are decidedly low in either way you decide. But currently, the CDC’s data suggest your net risk would be even lower if you get the currently approved dose, particularly while delta cases are still high and hospitals overwhelmed (e.g. and not procrastinating till it too goes away)
- jlebar 5y ago
  People like you who had a mild case may benefit most from the vaccine, because you may be the least likely to have developed long-lasting antibodies. You've seen what the virus can do. Why chance it? I'm sorry to hear about your wife. I hope she gets better. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/574284-natural-covid-19-immunity-is-powerful-but-kind-of-irrelevant https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/574284-natural-covid-...
  - grepfru_it 5y ago
    A) my case was not mild B) you may have missed the last line of my comment C) trying to understand how this extremely contagious virus managed to not infect me while my wife and I shared bathrooms, beds, and car rides together. My best assumption is that I still carry immunity
    - jlebar 5y ago

Jenda_ 5y ago

This is not the case of long COVID, though, as 1) the symptoms seem definitely bad, but IMHO not as a life not worth living 2) they usually don't remove the physical ability to commit suicide, so one can "fall back" to the "you are going to die" option (which I would of course, as per point 1, not recommend)

grepfru_it 5y ago
I had long haul for 9 months. I do not recommend it to anyone. It gave me PTSD