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There are human "rights", and then there is Mother Nature's reality. Rather than thread after thread of arguing over whose fault it is and taking potshots at ou

There are human "rights", and then there is Mother Nature's reality. Rather than thread after thread of arguing over whose fault it is and taking potshots at our respective outgroups, perhaps we should instead consider finding The Experts on reality. Perhaps they do not exist, just as we once did not have various other experts.

lovich 5y ago
I do not understand what point you are trying to make in response to my comment
- mistermann 5y ago
  If you/society do not like people walking around spreading viruses that affect other’s bodies, then perhaps you and society should do something about it. For example, when the covid virus broke out on the scene, some experts developed a vaccine that seems to be pretty darn good at rectifying the situation. Now there seems to be a related but different problem: a fair amount of people who are opposed to taking that vaccine (walking around spreading viruses that affect other’s bodies), so perhaps a similar approach should be taken: find some people with expertise in the problem, and let them do their thing (maybe throw a few ten or hundred million at them to grease the wheels). As it is, the people who have been tasked with this job seem to be not performing up to the expectations of lots of people, so it might be a good idea to start looking for some who can.
  - lovich 5y ago
    We(society) are doing something about it. The convincing based on logic is over and now economic pressure and choosing who or who not to associate with is occurring. I am sorry that you can’t have your hand held every step of the way as you and your group continually shit on everything and put the rest of us at risk. Sucks to suck for everyone who loses their job cause they want to take a stance. They’ll be remembered as martyrs should they be proven right, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      > The convincing based on logic is over and now economic pressure and choosing who or who not to associate with is occurring. I see. Well, I wish you luck with this approach. > I am sorry that you can’t have your hand held every step of the way as you and your group continually shit on everything and put the rest of us at risk. Do you perceive yourself to have the ability to read minds? Well I have some bad news for you: you missed, horribly. - I do not desire or need to have my hand held - I am double vaccinated - I do not have "a group" (at least nothing related to vaccination status) - I do not continually shit on things (but do I occasionally offer some advice) > Sucks to suck for everyone who loses their job cause they want to take a stance. They’ll be remembered as martyrs should they be proven right, but I wouldn’t put money on it. Based on my observations, when people lose their income (particularly as a result of policies they disagree with), they often become angry. On one hand, this can be enjoyable for observers. But then on the other hand, sometimes Mother Nature has a surprise in store that more than makes up for the pleasure. Let's hope for everyone's sake that this is not one of the times that the law of unintended consequences pays us a visit.
      - lovich 5y ago
        > Based on my observations, when people lose their income (particularly as a result of policies they disagree with), they often become angry. On one hand, this can be enjoyable for observers. But then on the other hand, sometimes Mother Nature has a surprise in store that more than makes up for the pleasure. Let's hope for everyone's sake that this is not one of the times that the law of unintended consequences pays us a visit. Would you mind not being cryptic and stating what you actually mean? I don’t expect people to find my beliefs tasteful or agree with them, but I am laying them out on the table to discuss at least.
        mistermann 5y ago
        Domestic terrorism is one potential outcome that doesn't seem all that far-fetched.
        5y ago

lovich 5y ago

I do not understand what point you are trying to make in response to my comment

mistermann 5y ago
If you/society do not like people walking around spreading viruses that affect other’s bodies, then perhaps you and society should do something about it. For example, when the covid virus broke out on the scene, some experts developed a vaccine that seems to be pretty darn good at rectifying the situation. Now there seems to be a related but different problem: a fair amount of people who are opposed to taking that vaccine (walking around spreading viruses that affect other’s bodies), so perhaps a similar approach should be taken: find some people with expertise in the problem, and let them do their thing (maybe throw a few ten or hundred million at them to grease the wheels). As it is, the people who have been tasked with this job seem to be not performing up to the expectations of lots of people, so it might be a good idea to start looking for some who can.
- lovich 5y ago
  We(society) are doing something about it. The convincing based on logic is over and now economic pressure and choosing who or who not to associate with is occurring. I am sorry that you can’t have your hand held every step of the way as you and your group continually shit on everything and put the rest of us at risk. Sucks to suck for everyone who loses their job cause they want to take a stance. They’ll be remembered as martyrs should they be proven right, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
  - mistermann 5y ago
    > The convincing based on logic is over and now economic pressure and choosing who or who not to associate with is occurring. I see. Well, I wish you luck with this approach. > I am sorry that you can’t have your hand held every step of the way as you and your group continually shit on everything and put the rest of us at risk. Do you perceive yourself to have the ability to read minds? Well I have some bad news for you: you missed, horribly. - I do not desire or need to have my hand held - I am double vaccinated - I do not have "a group" (at least nothing related to vaccination status) - I do not continually shit on things (but do I occasionally offer some advice) > Sucks to suck for everyone who loses their job cause they want to take a stance. They’ll be remembered as martyrs should they be proven right, but I wouldn’t put money on it. Based on my observations, when people lose their income (particularly as a result of policies they disagree with), they often become angry. On one hand, this can be enjoyable for observers. But then on the other hand, sometimes Mother Nature has a surprise in store that more than makes up for the pleasure. Let's hope for everyone's sake that this is not one of the times that the law of unintended consequences pays us a visit.
    - lovich 5y ago
      > Based on my observations, when people lose their income (particularly as a result of policies they disagree with), they often become angry. On one hand, this can be enjoyable for observers. But then on the other hand, sometimes Mother Nature has a surprise in store that more than makes up for the pleasure. Let's hope for everyone's sake that this is not one of the times that the law of unintended consequences pays us a visit. Would you mind not being cryptic and stating what you actually mean? I don’t expect people to find my beliefs tasteful or agree with them, but I am laying them out on the table to discuss at least.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        Domestic terrorism is one potential outcome that doesn't seem all that far-fetched.
        5y ago