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But do you understand how your statements here actually cause pretty significant disruption, and cause the problems that you claim to care about? When you act

by stale2002 5y ago

But do you understand how your statements here actually cause pretty significant disruption, and cause the problems that you claim to care about? When you act like this, and berate people, by linking something over and over again, it comes off as pretty bad faith.

rvz 5y ago
I'm under the assumption that we've all read the HN guidelines before commenting and as the discussion or topic gets more divisive, even as the guidelines suggests: '...comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less...' [0]. That means these comments must be supported with evidence, which is what I have asked for from the start. So I ask once again: Where exactly is the evidence or citations in the aforementioned comment that I have highlighted? [1] Since the start of my replies, it has still not been substantiated and no evidence has been presented to support it. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548
- stale2002 5y ago
  But, to be clear, my argument is that you constantly posting the same links over and over again, just comes off as bad faith berating. Do you understand this? Because it is not clear that you are actually reading my comments or that you understand this. Can you like snap out of this? You aren't helping anyone when you constantly post the same links over and over again. It feels bad faith. Do you understand the problem with how you are acting?
  - rvz 5y ago
    My question remains unanswered and ignored from the very start even before you replied and the aforementioned comment [0] still needs to be supported with evidence, which is why I am asking otherwise it remains unsubstantiated. Unless you think there is ANY evidence in it? So far in this thread I have asked for it many times and no-one can give a simple citation to support it. Maybe you can answer the following question? Where exactly is the evidence or citations in the aforementioned comment that I have highlighted? [0] If there is no evidence to a claim or a statement then it can be safely dismissed as baseless and it most certainly qualifies as off-topic divisive flame-bait which breaks the HN guidelines [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - stale2002 5y ago
      Are.... you actually reading my comments? Do you think you could actually read it? I am legitimately not sure if you are a bot, because you aren't actually directly responding to anything that I said. But I'll summarize once again. ------- My statement is about you. I am talking about how when you act this way (and by this way I mean, just posting links at someone, over and over again), not someone else, you come across as pretty bad faith. ------- Do you understand what I just said? Do you understand the problem? Or are you just going to copy paste the same thing again, without actually reading my post? I am trying to talk about you here, because you are the one responding. And I don't think you quite understand how you come across, or the problem with your behavior here.
      - jakelazaroff 5y ago
        I appreciate you sticking up for me here, but you gotta let it be. They won’t drop it as long as you play ball with them and I’m sure dang has enough on his plate as it is. I think it’s pretty clear to any observers which of us is breaking the site guidelines.
        stale2002 5y ago
        > I appreciate you sticking up for me here, but you gotta let it be. They won’t drop it as long as you play ball with them Well, its not about you per se. Instead it is that I am consistently disappointed, in how impossible it is to get a bad faith actor to drop the act. I have had similar such conversations, with quite literally hundreds of people, on various social media platforms, and I can only think of maybe 1 single time, that I got the bad faith actor to drop it. Even this whole "copy paste the same answer and don't respond to anything that the other person is saying" is one such bad faith tactic, that comes up often enough that it is a consistent pattern. Its disappointing, thats all.
        rvz 5y ago
        What's beyond disappointing and typical of users and threads like this is that such baseless flame-bait comments are left unsubstantiated even after asking them to give some citations. Otherwise the discussion gets into an off-topic flamewar. This can be easily prevented with simple EVIDENCE as already explained by the HN guidelines. They know they haven't read the guidelines, so I and another commenter just reminded them. There is nothing wrong with admitting that you haven't read them and also admitting you have no sources to your claims is it? Oh dear.

rvz 5y ago

I'm under the assumption that we've all read the HN guidelines before commenting and as the discussion or topic gets more divisive, even as the guidelines suggests: '...comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less...' [0]. That means these comments must be supported with evidence, which is what I have asked for from the start. So I ask once again: Where exactly is the evidence or citations in the aforementioned comment that I have highlighted? [1] Since the start of my replies, it has still not been substantiated and no evidence has been presented to support it. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548

stale2002 5y ago
But, to be clear, my argument is that you constantly posting the same links over and over again, just comes off as bad faith berating. Do you understand this? Because it is not clear that you are actually reading my comments or that you understand this. Can you like snap out of this? You aren't helping anyone when you constantly post the same links over and over again. It feels bad faith. Do you understand the problem with how you are acting?
- rvz 5y ago
  My question remains unanswered and ignored from the very start even before you replied and the aforementioned comment [0] still needs to be supported with evidence, which is why I am asking otherwise it remains unsubstantiated. Unless you think there is ANY evidence in it? So far in this thread I have asked for it many times and no-one can give a simple citation to support it. Maybe you can answer the following question? Where exactly is the evidence or citations in the aforementioned comment that I have highlighted? [0] If there is no evidence to a claim or a statement then it can be safely dismissed as baseless and it most certainly qualifies as off-topic divisive flame-bait which breaks the HN guidelines [1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28693548 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - stale2002 5y ago
    Are.... you actually reading my comments? Do you think you could actually read it? I am legitimately not sure if you are a bot, because you aren't actually directly responding to anything that I said. But I'll summarize once again. ------- My statement is about you. I am talking about how when you act this way (and by this way I mean, just posting links at someone, over and over again), not someone else, you come across as pretty bad faith. ------- Do you understand what I just said? Do you understand the problem? Or are you just going to copy paste the same thing again, without actually reading my post? I am trying to talk about you here, because you are the one responding. And I don't think you quite understand how you come across, or the problem with your behavior here.
    - jakelazaroff 5y ago
      I appreciate you sticking up for me here, but you gotta let it be. They won’t drop it as long as you play ball with them and I’m sure dang has enough on his plate as it is. I think it’s pretty clear to any observers which of us is breaking the site guidelines.
      - stale2002 5y ago
        > I appreciate you sticking up for me here, but you gotta let it be. They won’t drop it as long as you play ball with them Well, its not about you per se. Instead it is that I am consistently disappointed, in how impossible it is to get a bad faith actor to drop the act. I have had similar such conversations, with quite literally hundreds of people, on various social media platforms, and I can only think of maybe 1 single time, that I got the bad faith actor to drop it. Even this whole "copy paste the same answer and don't respond to anything that the other person is saying" is one such bad faith tactic, that comes up often enough that it is a consistent pattern. Its disappointing, thats all.
        rvz 5y ago
        What's beyond disappointing and typical of users and threads like this is that such baseless flame-bait comments are left unsubstantiated even after asking them to give some citations. Otherwise the discussion gets into an off-topic flamewar. This can be easily prevented with simple EVIDENCE as already explained by the HN guidelines. They know they haven't read the guidelines, so I and another commenter just reminded them. There is nothing wrong with admitting that you haven't read them and also admitting you have no sources to your claims is it? Oh dear.