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The questions have already been answered, yeah? Medical marijuana should be treated like any other medication. Recreational marijuana should be treated just l

by dvdhnt 5y ago

The questions have already been answered, yeah? Medical marijuana should be treated like any other medication. Recreational marijuana should be treated just like any other legal drug aka alcohol or sugar that employees consume. If you can't do those things and perform your job safely and effectively, then disallow it. Contextually, some cultures (even by region in the US) respond differently to having a drink at lunch. Your business probably knows which clients will respond negatively and which will not be phased. The same logic applies with weed.

joeberon 5y ago
> just like any other legal drug aka alcohol or sugar that employees consume. Sugar is not considered a "legal drug" in western society, basically neither is caffeine...as for alcohol, kein Bier vor vier
- jdavis703 5y ago
  > basically neither is caffeine Then why does the FDA ban buying bulk caffeine [0]? It seems like folks are also campaigning to ban kratom. Basically even substances previously considered legal are under threat of being illegal. Remember even amphetamines used to be trivial to acquire. 0: https://www.newsweek.com/fda-bans-pure-bulk-caffeine-products-citing-significant-public-health-concern-886281 https://www.newsweek.com/fda-bans-pure-bulk-caffeine-product...
  - joeberon 5y ago
    Caffeine is very dangerous even at low doses. It doesn't take much to literally kill you.
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      It should be a Schedule I drug.
      - joeberon 5y ago
        Just because it can easily kill you if you overdo it doesn't mean the effects are such that it should be illegal. Basically, the effects of caffeine are very mild, until you are dead, but the mild effects of caffeine are culturally celebrated in the west
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      - jdavis703 5y ago
        This means coffee, tea and many sodas would be illegal. It would be illegal to grow any caffeine producing plant.
        renewiltord 5y ago
        Seems in line with other Schedule I drugs like Psilocybin or Marijuana. Appropriate considering the addiction potential.
        joeberon 5y ago
        Yes but caffeine is socially accepted while psilocybin and marijuana is not. Further, caffeine makes you more productive as a worker whereas the latter two could even make you want to leave the work system entirely.
    - vipermark7 5y ago
      How much is a low dose? I hear that less than 400mg is safe to consume, though I consume approx 300mg a day myself. Currently trying to reduce that
      - joeberon 5y ago
        I think it starts to get dangerous from 1 to 2 grams depending on body weight
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      The LD50 of caffeine is about 16 grams. That’s about 80 cups of coffee. We’re talking a heaping spoonful of powdered caffeine here.
      - joeberon 5y ago
        That is a lot less than is required for many illegal drugs
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- dvdhnt 5y ago
  Ah, fair. I stated an opinion as a matter of fact. My perspective came from the concept of a sugar crash. Which, to be fair, similar effects can happen when you eat too many simple sugars. Your response made me wonder if sugar is considered a "legal drug" anywhere in the world. A Google search came back as negative or at least inconclusive. The topic is the subject of scientific study [1] - "intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavior and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse". 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
jollybean 5y ago
We are cultural creatures, not legal creatures. That something is 'lawful or not' is only part of the context in which we evaluate what is appropriate or not in social culture. The 'can do your business effectively' not the issue, because it's obvious. Most people can do a glass of wine at lunch and that's that, some can't, but it's part of the meal time ritual and deeply embedded in our social culture. There's thousands of years behind that one. Weed, not so much. Even Hookah, where people sit around smoking a common pipe, doesn't do much to you.

by dvdhnt 5y ago

joeberon 5y ago

> just like any other legal drug aka alcohol or sugar that employees consume. Sugar is not considered a "legal drug" in western society, basically neither is caffeine...as for alcohol, kein Bier vor vier

jdavis703 5y ago
> basically neither is caffeine Then why does the FDA ban buying bulk caffeine [0]? It seems like folks are also campaigning to ban kratom. Basically even substances previously considered legal are under threat of being illegal. Remember even amphetamines used to be trivial to acquire. 0: https://www.newsweek.com/fda-bans-pure-bulk-caffeine-products-citing-significant-public-health-concern-886281 https://www.newsweek.com/fda-bans-pure-bulk-caffeine-product...
- joeberon 5y ago
  Caffeine is very dangerous even at low doses. It doesn't take much to literally kill you.
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    It should be a Schedule I drug.
    - joeberon 5y ago
      Just because it can easily kill you if you overdo it doesn't mean the effects are such that it should be illegal. Basically, the effects of caffeine are very mild, until you are dead, but the mild effects of caffeine are culturally celebrated in the west
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      This means coffee, tea and many sodas would be illegal. It would be illegal to grow any caffeine producing plant.
      - renewiltord 5y ago
        Seems in line with other Schedule I drugs like Psilocybin or Marijuana. Appropriate considering the addiction potential.
        joeberon 5y ago
        Yes but caffeine is socially accepted while psilocybin and marijuana is not. Further, caffeine makes you more productive as a worker whereas the latter two could even make you want to leave the work system entirely.
  - vipermark7 5y ago
    How much is a low dose? I hear that less than 400mg is safe to consume, though I consume approx 300mg a day myself. Currently trying to reduce that
    - joeberon 5y ago
      I think it starts to get dangerous from 1 to 2 grams depending on body weight
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    The LD50 of caffeine is about 16 grams. That’s about 80 cups of coffee. We’re talking a heaping spoonful of powdered caffeine here.
    - joeberon 5y ago
      That is a lot less than is required for many illegal drugs
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
dvdhnt 5y ago
Ah, fair. I stated an opinion as a matter of fact. My perspective came from the concept of a sugar crash. Which, to be fair, similar effects can happen when you eat too many simple sugars. Your response made me wonder if sugar is considered a "legal drug" anywhere in the world. A Google search came back as negative or at least inconclusive. The topic is the subject of scientific study [1] - "intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavior and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse". 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/

jollybean 5y ago

We are cultural creatures, not legal creatures. That something is 'lawful or not' is only part of the context in which we evaluate what is appropriate or not in social culture. The 'can do your business effectively' not the issue, because it's obvious. Most people can do a glass of wine at lunch and that's that, some can't, but it's part of the meal time ritual and deeply embedded in our social culture. There's thousands of years behind that one. Weed, not so much. Even Hookah, where people sit around smoking a common pipe, doesn't do much to you.