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Lol, mask off. I don't debate bad-faith actors, and that's all this reply is; sensationalist and fantastical; not rooted in the reality. "Burning down cities";

Lol, mask off. I don't debate bad-faith actors, and that's all this reply is; sensationalist and fantastical; not rooted in the reality. "Burning down cities"; a few buildings across seperate incidents. Reporting focused entirely on senstationalizing that, and ignored the very real, very NEEDED progress made by the remainder of the protests. Just pre-empptively (because I won't be further replying to this sub-sub-thread): It's well documented that inciting of violence is OFTEN done by undercover cops, well-to-do-white-supremacist-home-owners-using-spray-paint-for-the-first-time and neo-nazis. Edit: One more thing I can't let slide: Families can organize traditionally. Some don't get the privelege to choose; violence campaigns of austerity ripped apart their neighborhoods. Others self-determine that the traditional family structure doesn't suit them. Autonomy means we should be able to choose... ...either way, the forced assumption that "BLM is anti-family" is...WOW! This is a movement about family members having their loved one's LIVES ripped away by Illegitimate State Violence. ...The mental gymnastics you'd have to do to logically rest with the idea that BLM is somehow "anti-family", wow, ok buddy. So nope, your little yugi-oh card does is not such a good uno-reverso, after all ♥

xupybd 5y ago
Are neo Nazis still active enough to be a significant part of the conflict around BLM? I was under the impression that while they're hateful and dangerous aholes, there numbers were so low to that interactions with them were rare?
- balancemayvary 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1306805724975046659 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1306805724975046659 This supercut should illustrate the way neo-nazis such as the proud boys [1] are normalized and swept under the rug. Some 30% of the US voters will enthusiastically support such groups, and another ~20% happily look the other way. Fascism is like a weed that must be continually demonstrated against. Else you end up with police departments executing their own countrymen in the street, pregnant and naked, gun to the back of the head; convinced that if they don't they "betray their brothers in arms". [2] It is an insidious ideology brought about by increasingly desperate conditions of the proletariat and stoked by "might makes right" worship of the "glorious leader". [1] https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-isnt-a-nazi/ https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-pr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Police Learn from history, because it's already repeating itself.
  - jtdev 5y ago
    Antifa/BLM are an actual, literal, manifestation of fascism. You're not absolved through your quasi-moralistic rambling: https://twitter.com/Real_VinceJames/status/1442747701561487360 https://twitter.com/Real_VinceJames/status/14427477015614873... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WyW13shViQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WyW13shViQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbtQpvMD2cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbtQpvMD2cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZBzTm0hEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZBzTm0hEY
  - xupybd 5y ago
    Ah I see, the term neo-nazi no longer requires a direct connection to the Nazi ideology. I tend to reserve the label for those that follow the philosophy's that inspired the Nazis such as the white supremacists Houston Stewart Chamberlain. I'd expect them to hold to racial purity beliefs. I guess language changes but it does seem imprecise. I'd say one of the dangers history teaches is the mistake of painting the other tribe as a monster. When you no longer see them as human you become a monster yourself and can justify ugly behavior. The other is a fellow human capable of change, of redemption.
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      Oh, there's a direct connection to the ideology. Know the history, it was exported from white supremacist America to Germany. "They love to talk about their heritage, and hate to confront their history"; that's all this is. Also...you're ignoring that Gavin advocates violence [stochastic terrorism] against all sorts of innocent people; a perfect representation of the violent street gang and domestic terrorists that is the self-described Proud Boys.
      - MandieD 5y ago
        “… it was exported from white supremacist America to Germany.” Stumbling upon that particular panel in the permanent exhibit at the Dokumentationszentrum at the former Reichsparteitagsgelände (“Nazi Rally Grounds”) in Nuremberg was an eye-opener - I have a sharp memory of seeing it the first time. The Nazis borrowed heavily from the Jim Crow laws that were still in force in the US South. Note: the Dokumentationszentrum is a completely different, though complementary museum to the Nürnberger Prozess Memorium (“Nuremberg Trials museum”). Though far less well-known, I think it’s the more important of the two (the other is worthwhile, don’t get me wrong!) How does a “normal,” “cultured” Western country go from being a fragile democracy to Hell on Earth for many of its erstwhile citizens and neighbors? Relatively little space there is spent on post-1939; at that point, individual resistance was futile, and there are many other sites that cover the greater horrors of the second half of the Nazi regime, but focuses on 1931-1939, when it might have been possible to stop. The display text is mostly in German, but the English language audio guide is good. If any of you ever visit Nuremberg, I will walk you through it.
dang 5y ago
The two of you broke the site guidelines egregiously with this flamewar. We ban accounts that do that, so no more of this, please—it's not what HN is for and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

xupybd 5y ago

Are neo Nazis still active enough to be a significant part of the conflict around BLM? I was under the impression that while they're hateful and dangerous aholes, there numbers were so low to that interactions with them were rare?

balancemayvary 5y ago
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1306805724975046659 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1306805724975046659 This supercut should illustrate the way neo-nazis such as the proud boys [1] are normalized and swept under the rug. Some 30% of the US voters will enthusiastically support such groups, and another ~20% happily look the other way. Fascism is like a weed that must be continually demonstrated against. Else you end up with police departments executing their own countrymen in the street, pregnant and naked, gun to the back of the head; convinced that if they don't they "betray their brothers in arms". [2] It is an insidious ideology brought about by increasingly desperate conditions of the proletariat and stoked by "might makes right" worship of the "glorious leader". [1] https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-proud-boys-as-top-leader-says-hes-done-pretending-isnt-a-nazi/ https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/civil-war-brewing-inside-pr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Police https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Police Learn from history, because it's already repeating itself.
- jtdev 5y ago
  Antifa/BLM are an actual, literal, manifestation of fascism. You're not absolved through your quasi-moralistic rambling: https://twitter.com/Real_VinceJames/status/1442747701561487360 https://twitter.com/Real_VinceJames/status/14427477015614873... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WyW13shViQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WyW13shViQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbtQpvMD2cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbtQpvMD2cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZBzTm0hEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCZBzTm0hEY
- xupybd 5y ago
  Ah I see, the term neo-nazi no longer requires a direct connection to the Nazi ideology. I tend to reserve the label for those that follow the philosophy's that inspired the Nazis such as the white supremacists Houston Stewart Chamberlain. I'd expect them to hold to racial purity beliefs. I guess language changes but it does seem imprecise. I'd say one of the dangers history teaches is the mistake of painting the other tribe as a monster. When you no longer see them as human you become a monster yourself and can justify ugly behavior. The other is a fellow human capable of change, of redemption.
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    Oh, there's a direct connection to the ideology. Know the history, it was exported from white supremacist America to Germany. "They love to talk about their heritage, and hate to confront their history"; that's all this is. Also...you're ignoring that Gavin advocates violence [stochastic terrorism] against all sorts of innocent people; a perfect representation of the violent street gang and domestic terrorists that is the self-described Proud Boys.
    - MandieD 5y ago
      “… it was exported from white supremacist America to Germany.” Stumbling upon that particular panel in the permanent exhibit at the Dokumentationszentrum at the former Reichsparteitagsgelände (“Nazi Rally Grounds”) in Nuremberg was an eye-opener - I have a sharp memory of seeing it the first time. The Nazis borrowed heavily from the Jim Crow laws that were still in force in the US South. Note: the Dokumentationszentrum is a completely different, though complementary museum to the Nürnberger Prozess Memorium (“Nuremberg Trials museum”). Though far less well-known, I think it’s the more important of the two (the other is worthwhile, don’t get me wrong!) How does a “normal,” “cultured” Western country go from being a fragile democracy to Hell on Earth for many of its erstwhile citizens and neighbors? Relatively little space there is spent on post-1939; at that point, individual resistance was futile, and there are many other sites that cover the greater horrors of the second half of the Nazi regime, but focuses on 1931-1939, when it might have been possible to stop. The display text is mostly in German, but the English language audio guide is good. If any of you ever visit Nuremberg, I will walk you through it.

dang 5y ago

The two of you broke the site guidelines egregiously with this flamewar. We ban accounts that do that, so no more of this, please—it's not what HN is for and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html