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That's a good point about the extraordinary measures taken. Accordingly, since the number of deaths from the top three causes of U.S. deaths in 2019 were heart

That's a good point about the extraordinary measures taken. Accordingly, since the number of deaths from the top three causes of U.S. deaths in 2019 were heart disease (659,041), cancer (599,601) and accidents (173,040), we should boycott all propaganda or misinformation around how being overweight is healthy, immediately close all fast food establishments, provide free fruits & vegetables for all Americans, close all beaches to prevent anyone from getting too much sun, immediately ban all products containing cancer causing agents of any kind, mandate all cars & trucks contain ignition lockouts that would prevent the vehicles from starting if seat belts were not worn properly, immediately ban all motorcycles, immediately ban all swimming pools or mandate all Americans wear flotation devices or risk fines & imprisonment, immediately ban all guns & knives regardless of their intended purpose, immediately ban all contact sports and other sports that are considered "extreme" or high-risk, and ban all ladders & stools. If we can reduce or eliminate outright the 1,431,682 people killed from these causes, regardless of the impact on the economy or personal liberty, it would be worth it. Those people are also dead and definitely not coming back. We owe it to their families and communities to do everything we can to prevent further deaths from these causes as well.

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landryraccoon 5y ago
Let's be clear on what we're comparing here. We're comparing a short term ban on provable lies about a cheap, safe and highly effective set of vaccines with a long term, permanent ban on all activities that could increase the risk of heart disease of cancer. First, vaccines highly effective. Even if the draconian measures you proposed were implemented, would they even reduce the heart disease and cancer death totals? How much would the reduction be? Second, vaccines are not an egregious imposition on your lifestyle. The cost is tiny, the time taken is tiny, the side effects are minor. I can't think of a single significant change in my life due to having been vaccinated, other than not worrying about dying due to Covid. Finally, the ban on misinformation would be temporary, because the crisis will pass. Like wars, pandemics are temporary. Even before vaccination and modern medicine was invented, pandemics eventually end. When would the draconian measures you're proposing end? Heart disease and cancer are not communicable diseases. Your solution isn't a sustainable long term answer to anything. Your comparison is frankly very dishonest and disingenuous. Wanting to reduce provably false misinformation about vaccines is nothing like the draconian, permanent measures you're proposing.
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  >a short term ban We are on day 570 of 15 days to flatten the curve.
  - landryraccoon 5y ago
    What does that mean? At no point anywhere in the United States was there a lockdown. We are on day 570 of doing what exactly? Edit: If you want the pandemic to end, universal vaccination is the fastest and safest way to do it with the least imposition on everyone's lives.
    - bena 5y ago
      The people who push that meme like to ignore that we, as a whole, very much did not do the things required to mitigate the spread of the disease. It's very much "we tried absolutely nothing and we're all out of ideas" situation.
    - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
      Most states were. Some still are.
- spectramax 5y ago
  > Finally, the ban on misinformation would be temporary, because the crisis will pass. Coronavirus is here to stay, don't get your hopes up: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-l...
  - machiaweliczny 5y ago
    According to my wife (master in biology) it will be like flu due to mutations. I am happy we have mRNA and ML for quicker discovery of vacinnes but they shouldn't be forced IMO. Let the stupid die. Here we had many people dying as they weren't even admitted to hospital due to covid policies. One was 21 year pregnant woman. Just this one would offset 50 deaths of old and sick anyway.

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landryraccoon 5y ago

Let's be clear on what we're comparing here. We're comparing a short term ban on provable lies about a cheap, safe and highly effective set of vaccines with a long term, permanent ban on all activities that could increase the risk of heart disease of cancer. First, vaccines highly effective. Even if the draconian measures you proposed were implemented, would they even reduce the heart disease and cancer death totals? How much would the reduction be? Second, vaccines are not an egregious imposition on your lifestyle. The cost is tiny, the time taken is tiny, the side effects are minor. I can't think of a single significant change in my life due to having been vaccinated, other than not worrying about dying due to Covid. Finally, the ban on misinformation would be temporary, because the crisis will pass. Like wars, pandemics are temporary. Even before vaccination and modern medicine was invented, pandemics eventually end. When would the draconian measures you're proposing end? Heart disease and cancer are not communicable diseases. Your solution isn't a sustainable long term answer to anything. Your comparison is frankly very dishonest and disingenuous. Wanting to reduce provably false misinformation about vaccines is nothing like the draconian, permanent measures you're proposing.

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
>a short term ban We are on day 570 of 15 days to flatten the curve.
- landryraccoon 5y ago
  What does that mean? At no point anywhere in the United States was there a lockdown. We are on day 570 of doing what exactly? Edit: If you want the pandemic to end, universal vaccination is the fastest and safest way to do it with the least imposition on everyone's lives.
  - bena 5y ago
    The people who push that meme like to ignore that we, as a whole, very much did not do the things required to mitigate the spread of the disease. It's very much "we tried absolutely nothing and we're all out of ideas" situation.
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    Most states were. Some still are.
spectramax 5y ago
> Finally, the ban on misinformation would be temporary, because the crisis will pass. Coronavirus is here to stay, don't get your hopes up: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-l...
- machiaweliczny 5y ago
  According to my wife (master in biology) it will be like flu due to mutations. I am happy we have mRNA and ML for quicker discovery of vacinnes but they shouldn't be forced IMO. Let the stupid die. Here we had many people dying as they weren't even admitted to hospital due to covid policies. One was 21 year pregnant woman. Just this one would offset 50 deaths of old and sick anyway.