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Anyone who shames you for taking/not taking a form of medicine can safely be ignored. I know it's easier said than done but things like HIPAA exist for a reason

Anyone who shames you for taking/not taking a form of medicine can safely be ignored. I know it's easier said than done but things like HIPAA exist for a reason. It's no one's business.

lostlogin 5y ago
It’s everyone’s business. Vaccinations are to protect a population. Some industries require vaccinations before the employee can work and this isn’t a new behaviour. Not looking after staff and those the staff interact with would seem negligent and a potential liability.
- eek430 5y ago
  I agree, we should also require people to disclose their sexually transmitted diseases publicly. Especially HIV, which is fatal when left untreated and for all but the most wealthy it's detected so late it's a death sentence. It's important that we insure these people with HIV are not only publicly shamed, but also are barred from employment where they may transmit their disease. This is what you mean, right? A real deadly disease being an actual public health concern, to the point that we should not only publicly shame people, but also bar them from employment?
  - bryan0 5y ago
    It is illegal in many places not to disclose HIV status with sexual partners. If you could transmit HIV by just being in the same room with someone for 15 minutes, then absolutely you should be required to disclose it.
  - jeltz 5y ago
    You are already required to disclose it, just not publicly, so I do not get your point.
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      > Thanks to California Senate Bill 329, as of January 1, 2017, it is no longer a felony for people who are HIV-positive to have unprotected sex and not disclose their status.[0] [0]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-sexual-partner-that-i-am-hiv-positive-in-california/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-s...
  - ZeroBugBounce 5y ago
    I think you know that's argument is fallacious - getting AIDS from an infected person requires very specific interaction to take place.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    No, I don’t mean that and I think you known that. I also believe you mean ‘ensure’, not ‘insure’.
moistly 5y ago
> It’s no one’s business I must assume you are unfamiliar with the history of Typhoid Mary. Public health is everyone’s business.
- risk000 5y ago
  Using the most extreme possible examples to justify a policy.
  - moistly 5y ago
    LOL. A global pandemic that causes extreme healthcare crises might require extreme policies. “Using the most extreme possible examples to justify a policy,” how laughable! Next, read about Quarantine Acts. Most nations have them.
- trentnix 5y ago
  Except when it concerns risky sexual behavior, or so we were told just a generation ago.
  - cataphract 5y ago
    Really? Has any public health authority said "it no one's business whether you have unprotected sex with strangers"? On the contrary, there were and there are many campaigns to get people to have less risky behaviors.
    - trentnix 5y ago
      Campaigns to inform, yes! And that allowed those engaged in risky sexual behavior to make decisions for themselves. But shutting down the bathhouses and swingers parties and park bathrooms was considered a violation of rights. Now contrast that approach with mandates and arresting store owners and closing businesses.
      - drewwwwww 5y ago
TrispusAttucks 5y ago
Oh Yeah? Tell that to the President Of The United States; Or the tens of thousands of NY health workers just fired.
- virtuabhi 5y ago
  Care to think about the vaccinated health workers who get breakthrough infection and transfer it to their unvaccinated daughter who had to get a lung transplant? (real story from US)
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - TrispusAttucks 5y ago
    Your argument is that a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection can not give another vaccinated person a breakthrough infection? Obviously your anecdotal story is tragic. No denying. But the ends don't justify the means. Most of these health workers have been on the frontlines since the beginning before the vaccine. Many already aquired COVID and have some natural immunity. I leave you with this: How about the story of the girl who died because there weren't enough healthcare workers to treat her in time because they were all fired?
    - virtuabhi 5y ago
      More health workers are fed up with constant stream of unvaccinated patients in hospitals (also a big overlap between assholes and unvaccinated in USA where vaccines are available), so they would rather want everyone to be vaccinated. Ask your doctor friends and relatives. What would your imaginary girl do when all ICU beds are occupied by the unvaccinated? https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nightmare-hospitals-where-icu-hospitalizations-stayed-high-n1280318 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nigh...
      - TrispusAttucks 5y ago

Anyone who shames you for taking/not taking a form of medicine can safely be ignored. I know it's easier said than done but things like HIPAA exist for a reason. It's no one's business.

lostlogin 5y ago

It’s everyone’s business. Vaccinations are to protect a population. Some industries require vaccinations before the employee can work and this isn’t a new behaviour. Not looking after staff and those the staff interact with would seem negligent and a potential liability.

eek430 5y ago
I agree, we should also require people to disclose their sexually transmitted diseases publicly. Especially HIV, which is fatal when left untreated and for all but the most wealthy it's detected so late it's a death sentence. It's important that we insure these people with HIV are not only publicly shamed, but also are barred from employment where they may transmit their disease. This is what you mean, right? A real deadly disease being an actual public health concern, to the point that we should not only publicly shame people, but also bar them from employment?
- bryan0 5y ago
  It is illegal in many places not to disclose HIV status with sexual partners. If you could transmit HIV by just being in the same room with someone for 15 minutes, then absolutely you should be required to disclose it.
- jeltz 5y ago
  You are already required to disclose it, just not publicly, so I do not get your point.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    > Thanks to California Senate Bill 329, as of January 1, 2017, it is no longer a felony for people who are HIV-positive to have unprotected sex and not disclose their status.[0] [0]https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-sexual-partner-that-i-am-hiv-positive-in-california/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/laws/do-i-have-to-tell-a-s...
- ZeroBugBounce 5y ago
  I think you know that's argument is fallacious - getting AIDS from an infected person requires very specific interaction to take place.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  No, I don’t mean that and I think you known that. I also believe you mean ‘ensure’, not ‘insure’.

moistly 5y ago

> It’s no one’s business I must assume you are unfamiliar with the history of Typhoid Mary. Public health is everyone’s business.

risk000 5y ago
Using the most extreme possible examples to justify a policy.
- moistly 5y ago
  LOL. A global pandemic that causes extreme healthcare crises might require extreme policies. “Using the most extreme possible examples to justify a policy,” how laughable! Next, read about Quarantine Acts. Most nations have them.
trentnix 5y ago
Except when it concerns risky sexual behavior, or so we were told just a generation ago.
- cataphract 5y ago
  Really? Has any public health authority said "it no one's business whether you have unprotected sex with strangers"? On the contrary, there were and there are many campaigns to get people to have less risky behaviors.
  - trentnix 5y ago
    Campaigns to inform, yes! And that allowed those engaged in risky sexual behavior to make decisions for themselves. But shutting down the bathhouses and swingers parties and park bathrooms was considered a violation of rights. Now contrast that approach with mandates and arresting store owners and closing businesses.
    - drewwwwww 5y ago

TrispusAttucks 5y ago

Oh Yeah? Tell that to the President Of The United States; Or the tens of thousands of NY health workers just fired.

virtuabhi 5y ago
Care to think about the vaccinated health workers who get breakthrough infection and transfer it to their unvaccinated daughter who had to get a lung transplant? (real story from US)
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  Your argument is that a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection can not give another vaccinated person a breakthrough infection? Obviously your anecdotal story is tragic. No denying. But the ends don't justify the means. Most of these health workers have been on the frontlines since the beginning before the vaccine. Many already aquired COVID and have some natural immunity. I leave you with this: How about the story of the girl who died because there weren't enough healthcare workers to treat her in time because they were all fired?
  - virtuabhi 5y ago
    More health workers are fed up with constant stream of unvaccinated patients in hospitals (also a big overlap between assholes and unvaccinated in USA where vaccines are available), so they would rather want everyone to be vaccinated. Ask your doctor friends and relatives. What would your imaginary girl do when all ICU beds are occupied by the unvaccinated? https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nightmare-hospitals-where-icu-hospitalizations-stayed-high-n1280318 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nigh...
    - TrispusAttucks 5y ago