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>"Hateful" Reddit or FB communities also don't allow "free speech". The moderators will ban people who go against the grain. Which is fine I think, but why hav

>"Hateful" Reddit or FB communities also don't allow "free speech". The moderators will ban people who go against the grain. Which is fine I think, but why have Reddit or FB do the censoring (aside from things that are outright illegal). I don't much care if a bunch of Nazis or tankies are busy planning world domination on Reddit while sharing recipes. Why do you care?

fighterpilot 5y ago
> Why do you care? Because zero moderation beyond criminal content is 8chan, which arguably inspired mass shootings. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-m...
- PerkinWarwick 5y ago
  Zero moderation beyond criminal content is/was basically Usenet alt groups. Somehow the world survived all those years. Listen, I understand the need to cordon off the wrongthink people so that they can't communicate with each other, I just don't agree with it.
- notchFilter54 5y ago
  And when you ban misinformation on your platform, that "anti-vaxxer" instead goes to 8chan where by your argument might inspire them to shoot people up.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    Given the size of 8 Chan and the size is communities banned from Reddit, we know this to be untrue.
    - notchFilter54 5y ago
      Given that Texas has greater population than Rhode Island, we know it is untrue that my uncle Bill and his friends upset with Texan policies moved from Dallas to Providence.
  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    But you want Reddit to literally adopt 8chan's moderation policy, meaning that Reddit now will become the place that inspires mass shooters instead of 8chan (which by the way, is no longer a place that inspires mass shootings, since it was killed by Cloudfare after the last one, and replaced with the impotent and unpopular 8kun).
    - PerkinWarwick 5y ago
      >Reddit now will become the place that inspires mass shooters instead of 8chan I can guarantee that there are plenty of evil doings on Reddit and Facebook. One argument, and a more honest one, that people can make is that (a) social media is toxic and (b) it should be made illegal generally. Bingo bango, no mass shootings I guess.
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    - notchFilter54 5y ago
      >But you want Reddit to literally adopt 8chan's moderation policy, I want reddit to adopt the public square's policy of allowing any content that isn't illegal, which also happens to be pretty much synonymous with 8chan's policy. Do you consider the town square (which has the policy of allowing content that is not illegal) a center of inspiration for mass shootings? Could it be that the public square is not viewed as a place for inspiration of mass shooting, have anything to do with integration of many ideas and the fact that someone bringing bad ideas might actually be challenged in an environment where they are exposed to the general ideas of the community rather than an echo chamber of fellow nazis or whatever? The nazi hall may have the same moderation policy as the town square, that doesn't mean I expect the same inspirations to come out of the nazi hall. The issue with the nazi hall is the powder-keg full of people reinforcing bad ideas, whereas a nazi in a more "normal" place like the public square might have some chance of being shamed or convinced their anti-social ideas are undesirable (despite the nazi hall and public square having same moderation policy). I don't want to shove more people into the nazi hall by banning them from the public square (especially when they're only being banned from the square because they have unconventional views on vaccines.) --------------- In the censor's world, the people with undesirable ideas in the public square are kicked into 8chan where instead of their ideas being challenged they all end up in a self reinforcing chamber. The proportional amount of people wanting a mass shooting may be tenfold that in the public square, leading to more compressed exposure including by other people who were originally just anti-vax or whatever. And the people running the public square turn around and say "see, 8chan allows any ideas, and that's what happens when you do that!"

fighterpilot 5y ago

> Why do you care? Because zero moderation beyond criminal content is 8chan, which arguably inspired mass shootings. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-m...

PerkinWarwick 5y ago
Zero moderation beyond criminal content is/was basically Usenet alt groups. Somehow the world survived all those years. Listen, I understand the need to cordon off the wrongthink people so that they can't communicate with each other, I just don't agree with it.
notchFilter54 5y ago
And when you ban misinformation on your platform, that "anti-vaxxer" instead goes to 8chan where by your argument might inspire them to shoot people up.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  Given the size of 8 Chan and the size is communities banned from Reddit, we know this to be untrue.
  - notchFilter54 5y ago
    Given that Texas has greater population than Rhode Island, we know it is untrue that my uncle Bill and his friends upset with Texan policies moved from Dallas to Providence.
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  But you want Reddit to literally adopt 8chan's moderation policy, meaning that Reddit now will become the place that inspires mass shooters instead of 8chan (which by the way, is no longer a place that inspires mass shootings, since it was killed by Cloudfare after the last one, and replaced with the impotent and unpopular 8kun).
  - PerkinWarwick 5y ago
    >Reddit now will become the place that inspires mass shooters instead of 8chan I can guarantee that there are plenty of evil doings on Reddit and Facebook. One argument, and a more honest one, that people can make is that (a) social media is toxic and (b) it should be made illegal generally. Bingo bango, no mass shootings I guess.
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  - notchFilter54 5y ago
    >But you want Reddit to literally adopt 8chan's moderation policy, I want reddit to adopt the public square's policy of allowing any content that isn't illegal, which also happens to be pretty much synonymous with 8chan's policy. Do you consider the town square (which has the policy of allowing content that is not illegal) a center of inspiration for mass shootings? Could it be that the public square is not viewed as a place for inspiration of mass shooting, have anything to do with integration of many ideas and the fact that someone bringing bad ideas might actually be challenged in an environment where they are exposed to the general ideas of the community rather than an echo chamber of fellow nazis or whatever? The nazi hall may have the same moderation policy as the town square, that doesn't mean I expect the same inspirations to come out of the nazi hall. The issue with the nazi hall is the powder-keg full of people reinforcing bad ideas, whereas a nazi in a more "normal" place like the public square might have some chance of being shamed or convinced their anti-social ideas are undesirable (despite the nazi hall and public square having same moderation policy). I don't want to shove more people into the nazi hall by banning them from the public square (especially when they're only being banned from the square because they have unconventional views on vaccines.) --------------- In the censor's world, the people with undesirable ideas in the public square are kicked into 8chan where instead of their ideas being challenged they all end up in a self reinforcing chamber. The proportional amount of people wanting a mass shooting may be tenfold that in the public square, leading to more compressed exposure including by other people who were originally just anti-vax or whatever. And the people running the public square turn around and say "see, 8chan allows any ideas, and that's what happens when you do that!"