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Obtaining the long term data depends on reliable uptake of dependable data. When nurses and doctors refuse to acknowledge that a new symptom for the individual

Obtaining the long term data depends on reliable uptake of dependable data. When nurses and doctors refuse to acknowledge that a new symptom for the individual that happens within the hour/day/week of receiving the vaccine isn't even a possible side effect of the vaccine, then we don't have a reliable uptake of data. This is a common and largely unaddressed systemic complaint that destroys trust. The chorus of "it's safe" becomes a self-reenforcing position regardless of actual outcome because it taints the view of those collecting the actuals in the field.

crooked-v 5y ago
What symptom are you implying is being ignored?
- BackBlast 5y ago
  It's far too varied to give you a small list. You can easily find story after story online if you look — though they're being purged as fast as the automated systems can manage it as this story demonstrates. This is pretty standard operating procedure for vaccines since I started paying attention. I have children that suffered reactions from various vaccines — I also have been personally vaccine damaged. I try not to just repeat random stories online, so I will just keep this to my family and my immediate acquaintance. I've seen lots of things from a bout of severe allergies centered around the injection point to being severely ill following a shot to lasting new symptoms including new autoimmune disorders, or odd things like unusual hair growth. I had a friend who had a child die, that was previously perfectly healthy, from the disease (autopsy report) they were being vaccinated for the previous week. Presenting a question about the vaccine being responsible, even for minor stuff, generally results in being gas lit. "Impossible", "You don't know what you're talking about", "Didn't happen", "Just a Coincidence" even when all rational reason indicates that the vaccine should at least be considered. These anecdotes are consistently shot down online for various reasons, but nobody seems to connect the dots that when you systemically ignore evidence there is no mathematical model that will somehow find what is really happening. The data is just lost because those who are supposed to be trusted to collect it are ignoring so much of it. You look at all the comments here about the irrationality of those who don't accept the data, etc. This is not about data. This is about a loss of trust. You can show all the data in the world, but if the trust bridge has been burned then it's for naught. You can't cross the bridge again with a mountain of data because it's irrelevant. That bridge is being burned at the ground level every day, one by one, by a medical system that really doesn't care much about individuality or parental perspectives when they don't match their own. This story itself continues to burn the trust bridge. We don't want your stories, your personal experiences, you cannot be heard. There is no discussion. Be silent. That's not how to build trust. It's purely an attempt to cull the information base in favor of the chosen outcome.
rdtsc 5y ago
I have noticed this type of “vaccine side-effect hesitancy” too. Family getting serious heart issues after the vaccine, vision problems and other strange effects, and almost all of them have gaslighted by the doctors “it’s probably just a coincidence”, “it’s not the vaccine pretty sure, just take an aspirin”. It’s the complete opposite response you’d expect from the medical community, where you’d think they would be very keen in investigating these issues. It’s seems like they are almost afraid of even looking too hard…
- BackBlast 5y ago
  I, too, would expect a "do no harm" approach to be overly cautious in recording potential side effects or symptoms post vaccine. To error on over reporting rather than this really odd refusal to consider even the possibility. I'm not surprised that they're not afraid to look too hard about COVID-19 though. In the current climate, that road leads to loss of job and income.

crooked-v 5y ago

What symptom are you implying is being ignored?

BackBlast 5y ago
It's far too varied to give you a small list. You can easily find story after story online if you look — though they're being purged as fast as the automated systems can manage it as this story demonstrates. This is pretty standard operating procedure for vaccines since I started paying attention. I have children that suffered reactions from various vaccines — I also have been personally vaccine damaged. I try not to just repeat random stories online, so I will just keep this to my family and my immediate acquaintance. I've seen lots of things from a bout of severe allergies centered around the injection point to being severely ill following a shot to lasting new symptoms including new autoimmune disorders, or odd things like unusual hair growth. I had a friend who had a child die, that was previously perfectly healthy, from the disease (autopsy report) they were being vaccinated for the previous week. Presenting a question about the vaccine being responsible, even for minor stuff, generally results in being gas lit. "Impossible", "You don't know what you're talking about", "Didn't happen", "Just a Coincidence" even when all rational reason indicates that the vaccine should at least be considered. These anecdotes are consistently shot down online for various reasons, but nobody seems to connect the dots that when you systemically ignore evidence there is no mathematical model that will somehow find what is really happening. The data is just lost because those who are supposed to be trusted to collect it are ignoring so much of it. You look at all the comments here about the irrationality of those who don't accept the data, etc. This is not about data. This is about a loss of trust. You can show all the data in the world, but if the trust bridge has been burned then it's for naught. You can't cross the bridge again with a mountain of data because it's irrelevant. That bridge is being burned at the ground level every day, one by one, by a medical system that really doesn't care much about individuality or parental perspectives when they don't match their own. This story itself continues to burn the trust bridge. We don't want your stories, your personal experiences, you cannot be heard. There is no discussion. Be silent. That's not how to build trust. It's purely an attempt to cull the information base in favor of the chosen outcome.

rdtsc 5y ago

I have noticed this type of “vaccine side-effect hesitancy” too. Family getting serious heart issues after the vaccine, vision problems and other strange effects, and almost all of them have gaslighted by the doctors “it’s probably just a coincidence”, “it’s not the vaccine pretty sure, just take an aspirin”. It’s the complete opposite response you’d expect from the medical community, where you’d think they would be very keen in investigating these issues. It’s seems like they are almost afraid of even looking too hard…

BackBlast 5y ago
I, too, would expect a "do no harm" approach to be overly cautious in recording potential side effects or symptoms post vaccine. To error on over reporting rather than this really odd refusal to consider even the possibility. I'm not surprised that they're not afraid to look too hard about COVID-19 though. In the current climate, that road leads to loss of job and income.