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Refusing a safe and effective vaccine (that clearly wins any risk/benefit on your personal level!, not just population wide) is such an odd choice. Past vaccin

by orra 5y ago

Refusing a safe and effective vaccine (that clearly wins any risk/benefit on your personal level!, not just population wide) is such an odd choice. Past vaccines, like against measles and smallpox, were so effective that eejits like you never had to learn the importance of vaccination, before now.

batch12 5y ago
Remove legal immunity from the manufacturing companies and get FDA approval for all the shots and I am sure more folks will line up.
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Yea, if only someone would post the links to the 10 year safety and efficacy of these vaccines it would really shut these skeptics up. Ok, well, maybe just the 5 year data. No? Well, I think even 3 would help. If we’re going to disingenuously compare smallpox and measles vaccines, perhaps we could start with their efficacy. Are there any claims from even the mfgs that Covid shots are in the same range?
- orra 5y ago
  > If we’re going to disingenuously compare smallpox and measles vaccines, perhaps we could start with their efficacy. Are there any claims from even the mfgs that Covid shots are in the same range? Ain't nothing disingenuous from me. The COVID vaccines are some of the most effective vaccines ever invented. Turns out, if you were the only vaccinated person in a house against smallpox, the efficacy was only 60-something percent. But vaccination also prevents you spreading to others, not just getting infected—so when everybody in a house was vaccinated, the efficacy rose to around 95%. That's not unlike the COVID vaccines.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    > The COVID vaccines are some of the most effective vaccines ever invented. I didn’t know that. Do you have a source that shows efficacy over 45% after 8 months? I couldn’t find one.
    - orra 5y ago
      That's an oddly specific ask. The vaccines are absolutely fantastic in the short term, and there's credible evidence indicating the vaccine protection is long term, by analogy with how other vaccines work. See e.g. https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1416020128291082245 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/141602012829108224... and https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02046-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Also worth noting, see scary stories about vaccine efficacy dropping (coinciding with alpha being replaced by delta)? Turns out the efficacy recovers afterwards. See https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1438499665721368581 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143849966572136858.... Other real world studies show robust protection in the medium term, see https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1439951332635516928 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143995133263551692....
      - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
        The efficacy is “recovering” because the vaccinated are acquiring natural immunity. The way you / sailorrooscout present it obscures that simple fact.
        orra 5y ago
        That's not a simple fact; that's something you're making up.

by orra 5y ago

batch12 5y ago

Remove legal immunity from the manufacturing companies and get FDA approval for all the shots and I am sure more folks will line up.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Yea, if only someone would post the links to the 10 year safety and efficacy of these vaccines it would really shut these skeptics up. Ok, well, maybe just the 5 year data. No? Well, I think even 3 would help. If we’re going to disingenuously compare smallpox and measles vaccines, perhaps we could start with their efficacy. Are there any claims from even the mfgs that Covid shots are in the same range?

orra 5y ago
> If we’re going to disingenuously compare smallpox and measles vaccines, perhaps we could start with their efficacy. Are there any claims from even the mfgs that Covid shots are in the same range? Ain't nothing disingenuous from me. The COVID vaccines are some of the most effective vaccines ever invented. Turns out, if you were the only vaccinated person in a house against smallpox, the efficacy was only 60-something percent. But vaccination also prevents you spreading to others, not just getting infected—so when everybody in a house was vaccinated, the efficacy rose to around 95%. That's not unlike the COVID vaccines.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  > The COVID vaccines are some of the most effective vaccines ever invented. I didn’t know that. Do you have a source that shows efficacy over 45% after 8 months? I couldn’t find one.
  - orra 5y ago
    That's an oddly specific ask. The vaccines are absolutely fantastic in the short term, and there's credible evidence indicating the vaccine protection is long term, by analogy with how other vaccines work. See e.g. https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1416020128291082245 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/141602012829108224... and https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02046-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Also worth noting, see scary stories about vaccine efficacy dropping (coinciding with alpha being replaced by delta)? Turns out the efficacy recovers afterwards. See https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1438499665721368581 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143849966572136858.... Other real world studies show robust protection in the medium term, see https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1439951332635516928 https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/143995133263551692....
    - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
      The efficacy is “recovering” because the vaccinated are acquiring natural immunity. The way you / sailorrooscout present it obscures that simple fact.
      - orra 5y ago
        That's not a simple fact; that's something you're making up.