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I'm so sick of people equating seat belt laws w/ Vaccine&Mask mandates. For the 1000th time: Seat Belts affect you, Masks&Vaccines are about other people.

tokai 5y ago
Getting injured in traffic poses a risk to the people that come and save you. People getting flung from cars also pose a risk to other road users.
Ekaros 5y ago
Lobotomy could be efficient way to lower violence to others. I suppose those mandating vaccines and mask also would be for it to be performed to everyone.
onion2k 5y ago
Seat Belts affect you If you're a passenger in the back of a car, and the car stops suddenly in an accident, you will be launched into the seat in front of you. Drivers have died as the result of a rear passenger crushing them. Even seat belts can affect others. Crash test footage of an unbelted rear passenger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM British safety 'advert' about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2aevh6oZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2aevh6oZ8 (Maybe not for the squeamish..) This is why people really should wear seat belts in taxis and Ubers.
- nsxwolf 5y ago
  Arguably this should be worked out between the driver and passenger before the ride begins.
  - alphan0n 5y ago
    We’re all on this road trip together.
    - nanis 5y ago
      Curiously, no one seemed to think that when they did not get the flu vaccine nor did they seem to think there was anything wrong with one's apartment being surrounded on all sides by heavy pot smokers during winter. I bring up those two because the group of people who stayed away from the flu vaccines and were fully in support of people's right to light up and get high tend to overlap with the current group of people who want to deny others livelihoods and even life for not conforming to their fears. "We" are very distinctly not all in this together. Some, mostly single, mostly well off people (or people who have well off parents back to whose large houses they can retreat) are enjoying themselves very much as every part of society is reformed to match their phobias. And, they are empowering people who would love to expand their power no matter what. The censorship and surveillance infrastructure that is being enhanced to cater to these groups will be used for far worse. But, who am I kidding, it looks like the majority thinks "Killing Fields" is an adventure game and "Cultural Revolution" is a good thing.
  - soco 5y ago
    Which would cause a ruckus in most of the cases. Not exactly what I as a driver, or I as a passenger, want when I think of a ride.
  - cecilpl2 5y ago
    And for those who are unaware of the consequences? Do they just deserve to die?
  - onion2k 5y ago
    "Are you happy risking death because I don't want to wear a seat belt?" doesn't seem like it needs much "working out".
luis8 5y ago
I strongly disagree. If I made a mistake while driving a car that results in a crash, without a seat belt I could be responsible for the death of one or more individuals which could have been prevented if they were wearing a seat belt
- hellisothers 5y ago
  This is what few people take into account. I know someone who was involved in a fatality accident and the family of the deceased sued them even though the deceased person was clearly at fault. That isn’t even the biggest problem though since insurance took care of it, the person who survived the crash had a lot of trauma from feeling that they “killed” somebody. Just wear a seatbelt and put on that helmet.
  - uxp100 5y ago
    I find this logic strange. As someone who's friend was killed in an accident where he was not wearing a seatbelt, this kind of logic makes the person who ran a stop sign at 45 miles an hour the "victim," and not the person who they killed. That doesn't mean it's wrong, just that I find it wholly uncompelling. And I don't exactly oppose seat belt laws either, I just find this justification, uh, perverted maybe? Bizarre? Utterly unconvincing.
    - avianlyric 5y ago
      Survivors guilt is a real thing, and it destroys people. There’s nothing logical about survivors guilt, but that doesn’t change the very real damage it does. Why would you want to subject your friends and loves one to that type of phycological suffering?
basch 5y ago
an unbelted traveler transforms into a meat torpedo during impact, which puts all other passengers in the vehicle at risk. so maybe you can make the case of not getting into vehicles with unbelted persons, however, children among others, often dont have the choice.
OliverJones 5y ago
Take the case of motorcycle helmets. Not wearing a helmet increases the risk of traumatic brain injury in a crash. And, people living with TBI get a lot of care at the expense of federal and state taxpayers. Would a "libertarian" approach to motorcycle helmet requirements deny social security disability income or medicaid to persons injured in a motorcycle crash without a helmet? Similar questions apply to car-crash injuries without seat belts, and to serious disease in people who refuse vaccines. At any rate, I do a lot of road bicycling in New Hampshire, always wearing a helmet. Some motorcyclists, legally, don't wear helmets. Enough of those same motorcyclists disrespect other users of the road that it's wise to pull over until they pass. We don't all live in places with less than 100 people per square mile.
azundo 5y ago
Not true, seat belts keep the driver in their seat and can allow the driver to maintain control when they wouldn't have been able to without one, potentially reducing the severity of a crash with another vehicle. Admittedly this is not the most common benefit of a seat belt but they are designed with this benefit in mind.
moate 5y ago
EMT's who have to come to the scene: Not you Doctors in the ER who have to treat you: Not you. People injured as a result of your body flying around: Not you Seatbelts save lives and lower the costs for everyone by not required additional resources be spent on treating people unwilling to wear a seatbelt. Just like vaccines.
shkkmo 5y ago
If you don't wear a seat belt / helmet, you increase the liability risks of other drivers who may cause injury to you. The government mandates liability insurance and also mandates safety features that reduce risk for liability insurance providers. There are reasonable debates be to had if the lines are drawn in the correct places (if motocyclists have to wear helmets, why not other drivers?).
vbezhenar 5y ago
Other people had plenty of time to get vaccine. Mandated masks and vaccines is stupid. Everyone should decide for himself. There are few people who can't get vaccine because of medical reasons, but they should not be the reason to strain rest of the society with stupid restrictions.
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tokai 5y ago

Getting injured in traffic poses a risk to the people that come and save you. People getting flung from cars also pose a risk to other road users.

Ekaros 5y ago

Lobotomy could be efficient way to lower violence to others. I suppose those mandating vaccines and mask also would be for it to be performed to everyone.

onion2k 5y ago

Seat Belts affect you If you're a passenger in the back of a car, and the car stops suddenly in an accident, you will be launched into the seat in front of you. Drivers have died as the result of a rear passenger crushing them. Even seat belts can affect others. Crash test footage of an unbelted rear passenger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM British safety 'advert' about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2aevh6oZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw2aevh6oZ8 (Maybe not for the squeamish..) This is why people really should wear seat belts in taxis and Ubers.

nsxwolf 5y ago
Arguably this should be worked out between the driver and passenger before the ride begins.
- alphan0n 5y ago
  We’re all on this road trip together.
  - nanis 5y ago
    Curiously, no one seemed to think that when they did not get the flu vaccine nor did they seem to think there was anything wrong with one's apartment being surrounded on all sides by heavy pot smokers during winter. I bring up those two because the group of people who stayed away from the flu vaccines and were fully in support of people's right to light up and get high tend to overlap with the current group of people who want to deny others livelihoods and even life for not conforming to their fears. "We" are very distinctly not all in this together. Some, mostly single, mostly well off people (or people who have well off parents back to whose large houses they can retreat) are enjoying themselves very much as every part of society is reformed to match their phobias. And, they are empowering people who would love to expand their power no matter what. The censorship and surveillance infrastructure that is being enhanced to cater to these groups will be used for far worse. But, who am I kidding, it looks like the majority thinks "Killing Fields" is an adventure game and "Cultural Revolution" is a good thing.
- soco 5y ago
  Which would cause a ruckus in most of the cases. Not exactly what I as a driver, or I as a passenger, want when I think of a ride.
- cecilpl2 5y ago
  And for those who are unaware of the consequences? Do they just deserve to die?
- onion2k 5y ago
  "Are you happy risking death because I don't want to wear a seat belt?" doesn't seem like it needs much "working out".

luis8 5y ago

I strongly disagree. If I made a mistake while driving a car that results in a crash, without a seat belt I could be responsible for the death of one or more individuals which could have been prevented if they were wearing a seat belt

hellisothers 5y ago
This is what few people take into account. I know someone who was involved in a fatality accident and the family of the deceased sued them even though the deceased person was clearly at fault. That isn’t even the biggest problem though since insurance took care of it, the person who survived the crash had a lot of trauma from feeling that they “killed” somebody. Just wear a seatbelt and put on that helmet.
- uxp100 5y ago
  I find this logic strange. As someone who's friend was killed in an accident where he was not wearing a seatbelt, this kind of logic makes the person who ran a stop sign at 45 miles an hour the "victim," and not the person who they killed. That doesn't mean it's wrong, just that I find it wholly uncompelling. And I don't exactly oppose seat belt laws either, I just find this justification, uh, perverted maybe? Bizarre? Utterly unconvincing.
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    Survivors guilt is a real thing, and it destroys people. There’s nothing logical about survivors guilt, but that doesn’t change the very real damage it does. Why would you want to subject your friends and loves one to that type of phycological suffering?

basch 5y ago

an unbelted traveler transforms into a meat torpedo during impact, which puts all other passengers in the vehicle at risk. so maybe you can make the case of not getting into vehicles with unbelted persons, however, children among others, often dont have the choice.

OliverJones 5y ago

Take the case of motorcycle helmets. Not wearing a helmet increases the risk of traumatic brain injury in a crash. And, people living with TBI get a lot of care at the expense of federal and state taxpayers. Would a "libertarian" approach to motorcycle helmet requirements deny social security disability income or medicaid to persons injured in a motorcycle crash without a helmet? Similar questions apply to car-crash injuries without seat belts, and to serious disease in people who refuse vaccines. At any rate, I do a lot of road bicycling in New Hampshire, always wearing a helmet. Some motorcyclists, legally, don't wear helmets. Enough of those same motorcyclists disrespect other users of the road that it's wise to pull over until they pass. We don't all live in places with less than 100 people per square mile.

azundo 5y ago

Not true, seat belts keep the driver in their seat and can allow the driver to maintain control when they wouldn't have been able to without one, potentially reducing the severity of a crash with another vehicle. Admittedly this is not the most common benefit of a seat belt but they are designed with this benefit in mind.

moate 5y ago

EMT's who have to come to the scene: Not you Doctors in the ER who have to treat you: Not you. People injured as a result of your body flying around: Not you Seatbelts save lives and lower the costs for everyone by not required additional resources be spent on treating people unwilling to wear a seatbelt. Just like vaccines.

shkkmo 5y ago

If you don't wear a seat belt / helmet, you increase the liability risks of other drivers who may cause injury to you. The government mandates liability insurance and also mandates safety features that reduce risk for liability insurance providers. There are reasonable debates be to had if the lines are drawn in the correct places (if motocyclists have to wear helmets, why not other drivers?).

vbezhenar 5y ago

Other people had plenty of time to get vaccine. Mandated masks and vaccines is stupid. Everyone should decide for himself. There are few people who can't get vaccine because of medical reasons, but they should not be the reason to strain rest of the society with stupid restrictions.

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