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From TFA: > * I have yet to see this kind of universal support for any other language than PHP. Not even Ruby on Rails, let alone Java, is available on mainstr

by yid 15y ago

From TFA: > * I have yet to see this kind of universal support for any other language than PHP. Not even Ruby on Rails, let alone Java, is available on mainstream providers, thereby validating the claim I made five years ago that Ruby on Rails won’t become mainstream (I regularly receive emails about this article asking me this question, and I keep responding “Nope, still not mainstream”).* If your provider doesn't support Ruby, you need to get yourself a $20/month Linode box. If Linode and a $20/month price point isn't mainstream, I don't know what is.

Ixiaus 15y ago
You can do cheaper than that - WebFaction will give you an $8 a month shared hosting account and you can run anything you want! They have a really cool automated setup system for more involved projects like Django/Pyramid/Sinatra/Rails and lots of others.
- yid 15y ago
  ...which leads me to think that the poster is confusing "mainstream" with "GoDaddy".
  - masklinn 15y ago
    Or confusing "mainstream" with "free webhosting by your internet provider"
  - cedricbeust 15y ago
    I'm not. I'm using a fairly "non-noob" ISP (ssh access, crontab, etc...) and they still don't give me access to much more than PHP. I can install Java but I can't even run it as a CGI because of the HTTP request memory constraints they impose. This is pretty standard, I don't blame them for doing this, and I would go with a VPS if actually needed all this. Same for Ruby on Rails, obviously.
    - yid 15y ago
      I fail to see why "my ISP doesn't give me Ruby" --> "Ruby isn't mainstream". To my downvoter, here's a list of "mainstream" providers, at the Godaddy-level, and language support: Dreamhost: RoR, PHP, Perl, Python [1] Godaddy @ $8/month: PHP, Perl, Python, RoR [2] a2Hosting @ $3/month: PHP, Perl, Ruby, Python That seems pretty mainstream to me. [1] http://beta.dreamhost.com/web-hosting/ http://beta.dreamhost.com/web-hosting/ [2] http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx [3] http://www.a2hosting.com/services/web-hosting/ http://www.a2hosting.com/services/web-hosting/
    - drdaeman 15y ago
      That's because clients rarely ask for it. I work for an ISP and in about three years nobody had asked us about anything¹ more complicated than a simple PHP hosting with FTP access. (We don't really advertise hosting solutions, though, as this is not our main business.) If you want your ISP to support something like Java or Rails — ask them today. They probably won't offer it now (or - who knows - they may surprise you!), but unless they're a type of company where individual client feedback gets lost, they'll note your request. ___ ¹) Except for a colocated hosting, to be precise. But that's completely another case.
ebiester 15y ago
How about NearlyFreeSpeech and other low cost solutions? I keep a forum for old friends, as an example. This is not worth 20 dollars a month for me. Hosting my own blog is not worth 20 dollars a month for me. (It's barely worth the two dollars a month I spend on it.) I have a friend with a webcomic and an art gallery page. She doesn't need ruby on rails and a 20 dollar a month host. PHP is a nice solution for her. That's why PHP is still around.
sciurus 15y ago
Also, Dreamhost's $8.95 a month shared hosting supports Ruby (via passenger).
vandahm 15y ago
> "If your provider doesn't support Ruby, you need to get yourself a $20/month Linode box. If Linode and a $20/month price point isn't mainstream, I don't know what is." True. And if nothing else, you can run Python on Google App Engine for free.

by yid 15y ago

Ixiaus 15y ago

You can do cheaper than that - WebFaction will give you an $8 a month shared hosting account and you can run anything you want! They have a really cool automated setup system for more involved projects like Django/Pyramid/Sinatra/Rails and lots of others.

yid 15y ago
...which leads me to think that the poster is confusing "mainstream" with "GoDaddy".
- masklinn 15y ago
  Or confusing "mainstream" with "free webhosting by your internet provider"
- cedricbeust 15y ago
  I'm not. I'm using a fairly "non-noob" ISP (ssh access, crontab, etc...) and they still don't give me access to much more than PHP. I can install Java but I can't even run it as a CGI because of the HTTP request memory constraints they impose. This is pretty standard, I don't blame them for doing this, and I would go with a VPS if actually needed all this. Same for Ruby on Rails, obviously.
  - yid 15y ago
    I fail to see why "my ISP doesn't give me Ruby" --> "Ruby isn't mainstream". To my downvoter, here's a list of "mainstream" providers, at the Godaddy-level, and language support: Dreamhost: RoR, PHP, Perl, Python [1] Godaddy @ $8/month: PHP, Perl, Python, RoR [2] a2Hosting @ $3/month: PHP, Perl, Ruby, Python That seems pretty mainstream to me. [1] http://beta.dreamhost.com/web-hosting/ http://beta.dreamhost.com/web-hosting/ [2] http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx [3] http://www.a2hosting.com/services/web-hosting/ http://www.a2hosting.com/services/web-hosting/
  - drdaeman 15y ago
    That's because clients rarely ask for it. I work for an ISP and in about three years nobody had asked us about anything¹ more complicated than a simple PHP hosting with FTP access. (We don't really advertise hosting solutions, though, as this is not our main business.) If you want your ISP to support something like Java or Rails — ask them today. They probably won't offer it now (or - who knows - they may surprise you!), but unless they're a type of company where individual client feedback gets lost, they'll note your request. ___ ¹) Except for a colocated hosting, to be precise. But that's completely another case.

ebiester 15y ago

How about NearlyFreeSpeech and other low cost solutions? I keep a forum for old friends, as an example. This is not worth 20 dollars a month for me. Hosting my own blog is not worth 20 dollars a month for me. (It's barely worth the two dollars a month I spend on it.) I have a friend with a webcomic and an art gallery page. She doesn't need ruby on rails and a 20 dollar a month host. PHP is a nice solution for her. That's why PHP is still around.

sciurus 15y ago

Also, Dreamhost's $8.95 a month shared hosting supports Ruby (via passenger).

vandahm 15y ago

> "If your provider doesn't support Ruby, you need to get yourself a $20/month Linode box. If Linode and a $20/month price point isn't mainstream, I don't know what is." True. And if nothing else, you can run Python on Google App Engine for free.