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>So we have a situation where keeping the content is reinforcing the beliefs and where blocking the content is also reinforcing the beliefs, because "legitimate
by colpabar 5y ago
>So we have a situation where keeping the content is reinforcing the beliefs and where blocking the content is also reinforcing the beliefs, because "legitimate" content telling "the truth" is blocked "without reason".
I'd say that blocking the content doesn't always reinforce their beliefs. For a lot of people, reading something that is then blocked at a later date reinforces the belief that the information they consumed is not only true, but so true that it has to be censored by some authority, because it would threaten said authority's legitimacy.
As an example, imagine you think that the police are too violent, and you stumble upon police bodycam footage of a cop getting unnecessarily violent at a traffic stop. You bookmark the video, and then later when you try to tell people about it, the video has been taken down the police, for whatever reason. Wouldn't that reinforce your belief that police are too violent?
I know this isn't a perfect example, because a video of someone doing something is much different than an article making claims based on little to no evidence. But the reason some people's beliefs are reinforced by censorship is because they can't help but wonder if the people doing the censoring are trying to hide something.
- Retric 5y agoExcept people will take any and all things that happen as conformation of their beliefs. YouTube leaving a video up is support, YouTube removing a video is the conspiracy in action.
- colpabar 5y agoI am not arguing either way, I'm just trying to explain how some people see the world. I also don't really understand the point of your comment, because of course there are irrational people who have all sorts of beliefs.
- sangnoir 5y ago"X is good for BitCoin" for any value of X, and not(X). Some people are beyond saving- there is nothing that you can say or do to get them to accept that their beliefs are wrong. So you're better off expending efforts on the option that disrupts the radicalization pipeline.
- __blockcipher__ 5y agoDepends what you consider the radicalization pipeline to be. For example, if you ban a user from Twitter, and they end up on Parler, they're gonna be exposed to a lot more "radical" (for lack of a better word) stuff than when they were just on Twitter. It's really not guaranteed that banning "undesirable" content actually does disrupt the pipeline, so much as just further balkanize and radicalize the dissidents.
- sangnoir 5y ago> Depends what you consider the radicalization pipeline to be. Platforms, by their nature, are mostly worried about what's happening on their platforms - when it's occurring elsewhere, it is no longer their problem. It is a mistake to think YouTube wants to bring an end to all misinformation everywhere - their focus starts and ends with misinformation on YouTube. Balkanization is the best option they can hope for, as long as it's not on YT.
- RF_Savage 5y agoBut that banned user cannot radicalize others on twitter, the larger platform with a wider reach. Parler is a niche platform for people already down the rabbit hole.
- Jensson 5y agoA dead Jesus cannot create more followers, right? The arguments goes in both directions, if you don't handle it correctly then being too heavy handed has the opposite effect.
- saurik 5y agoYouTube leaving something up shouldn't--and wouldn't--feel special if YouTube leaves everything up... but they don't, because they selectively take things down for "reasons" that are often inscrutable. Maybe it is easy to think that conspiracy theorists are stupid or something and will randomly believe anything, but that at least isn't the case for all of them, even if it is for some: they are just trying to figure out how to most easily explain inscrutable decision making processes, as YouTube does not take down the vast majority of false things said on YouTube, right? For whatever reason YouTube is only bothering to take down this false information, and do they seem to care more about the conclusions than the content... you can be very very sane and very very smart and still give weight to this being nefarious.
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago"Except people will take any and all things that happen as conformation of their beliefs." Then doing things on basis of motivating them is a dead end, and we should staunch the flow of falsehoods to keep other people from becoming contaminated.