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This is recent and not peer reviewed:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262

This is recent and not peer reviewed:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... And here's some news from Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762 I'd say that is pretty clear cut when looking at the numbers from Israel.

dnautics 5y ago
moreover, if you're not monitoring israel for news ahead of time, and waiting for "cited research" you're gonna be too slow. I was ahead of the game several months about "vaccination not categorically preventing spread of delta" watching israel.
mminer237 5y ago
Note that this is specifically the case in regards to the Delta variant. All prior variants showed the vaccine being much more effective than infection immunity. Although, even with this, getting both still provides even greater immunity with no downside. (Plus I think far too many people will say "oh, I had a cold sometime in the last year but didn't get tested. That was probably COVID so I have an excuse to not get vaccinated now.")
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- White_Wolf 5y ago
  Dude. I'm not debating if it's good or or bad. I personally had the vaccine because I have high blood pressure and I'm borderline diabetic at 40+. I made my call and took my chances. Others should have the right to make their own call. I'm saying that "no downside" and those sort of claims are outright false and people should have the right to choose for themselves wherether the risks are worth the reward. Tell this Lisa Shaw's family that there are no downsides: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796 Also here'a copy paste from the FDA meeting from oct 2020: FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines : DRAFTWorking list of possible adverse event outcomes*Subject to change*Guillain-Barré syndrome Acute disseminated encephalomyelitisTransverse myelitisEncephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathyConvulsions/seizuresStrokeNarcolepsy and cataplexyAnaphylaxisAcute myocardial infarctionMyocarditis/pericarditisAutoimmune diseaseDeathsPregnancy and birth outcomesOther acute demyelinating diseasesNon-anaphylactic allergic reactionsThrombocytopeniaDisseminated intravascular coagulationVenous thromboembolismArthritis and arthralgia/joint painKawasaki diseaseMultisystem I nflammatory Syndrome in ChildrenVaccine enhanced disease
  - aioprisan 5y ago
    While unfortunate, that's a much better statistical outcome than getting COVID, for the hundreds of millions who got COVID and have some form of long COVID, and 4.55M dead as of today.
ptaipale 5y ago
Note, Israel is not "one of the most vaccinated countries". It's not even in top 25. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=FIN~NOR~DNK~ISR~ISL~BEL~NLD~FRA~ESP~PRT~SGP~ITA~CHN~JPN~ARE~GBR~IRL~MLT~QAT~KHM~CUB~CHL~URY~CAN~ABW~BTN~KOR~MDV~MYS~BRA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

dnautics 5y ago

moreover, if you're not monitoring israel for news ahead of time, and waiting for "cited research" you're gonna be too slow. I was ahead of the game several months about "vaccination not categorically preventing spread of delta" watching israel.

mminer237 5y ago

Note that this is specifically the case in regards to the Delta variant. All prior variants showed the vaccine being much more effective than infection immunity. Although, even with this, getting both still provides even greater immunity with no downside. (Plus I think far too many people will say "oh, I had a cold sometime in the last year but didn't get tested. That was probably COVID so I have an excuse to not get vaccinated now.")

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White_Wolf 5y ago
Dude. I'm not debating if it's good or or bad. I personally had the vaccine because I have high blood pressure and I'm borderline diabetic at 40+. I made my call and took my chances. Others should have the right to make their own call. I'm saying that "no downside" and those sort of claims are outright false and people should have the right to choose for themselves wherether the risks are worth the reward. Tell this Lisa Shaw's family that there are no downsides: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796 Also here'a copy paste from the FDA meeting from oct 2020: FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines : DRAFTWorking list of possible adverse event outcomes*Subject to change*Guillain-Barré syndrome Acute disseminated encephalomyelitisTransverse myelitisEncephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathyConvulsions/seizuresStrokeNarcolepsy and cataplexyAnaphylaxisAcute myocardial infarctionMyocarditis/pericarditisAutoimmune diseaseDeathsPregnancy and birth outcomesOther acute demyelinating diseasesNon-anaphylactic allergic reactionsThrombocytopeniaDisseminated intravascular coagulationVenous thromboembolismArthritis and arthralgia/joint painKawasaki diseaseMultisystem I nflammatory Syndrome in ChildrenVaccine enhanced disease
- aioprisan 5y ago
  While unfortunate, that's a much better statistical outcome than getting COVID, for the hundreds of millions who got COVID and have some form of long COVID, and 4.55M dead as of today.

ptaipale 5y ago

Note, Israel is not "one of the most vaccinated countries". It's not even in top 25. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=FIN~NOR~DNK~ISR~ISL~BEL~NLD~FRA~ESP~PRT~SGP~ITA~CHN~JPN~ARE~GBR~IRL~MLT~QAT~KHM~CUB~CHL~URY~CAN~ABW~BTN~KOR~MDV~MYS~BRA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...