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> If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong. You can film 8K video

by derefr 5y ago

> If you are producing videos at such a rate that you as the producer cannot actually save the content, then maybe you're doing it wrong. You can film 8K video on a smartphone these days… but only about 15 minutes of it before you fill up the phone’s internal storage. If you don’t have a computer with a big hard drive to dump the video off on, you’re basically stuck shoving the video out to “the cloud” and then deleting the local copy so that you can film more. Whether that means pushing the raws to a private object store with an online video editing system hooked up to it, vs. uploading to YouTube where they transcode the raw to lower quality and then throw away the original, it still creates a dependence on the continued existence of some cloud provider.

dylan604 5y ago
Comparing an object store provider to YouTube is just pointless. It's not even close to being the same thing. If you cannot understand this difference, then we really cannot have a discussion. If you are shooting 8K video and don't know what to do with it, that is on you. Just because you can does not mean you should.
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
When you can get 10TB [ EDIT: 4TB ] external drives for around $100, this is totally absurd pathway to take towards "preserving your own culture".
- chongli 5y ago
  It's more like $300+ dollars but there's another, more important point: hard drives fail. If we're talking about YouTube creators who spend hours producing culturally relevant content, we're going to want a much more robust backup strategy than simply throwing it on an external hard drive. Is it possible for a home user to build a storage system with high availability and off-site backups? Sure. Will it be affordable and convenient? Extremely unlikely.
  - janandonly 5y ago
    I like your thinking... but why hide a video on a private HDD? I was just thinking about this problem from a different angle. What if everyone, or at least a bunch of willing souls, ran the following script on their on pc's: 1. YouTube-dlc every video you ever watch automatically in the background and save to NEW_VID directory 2. make a checksum of every file that comes into NEW_VID 3. Check by using the checksum if the file already exists on open platforms like https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org, https://odysee.com https://odysee.com or https://d.tube https://d.tube 4. If not, upload the file. 5. Delete the file.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      What if the original content creator does not want their content shared in this manner? For every view not on YT, they lose metrics/money. It is not your decision to do this. I'm just so not understanding how the concept of ownership is lost to others.
  - lupire 5y ago
    It takes 20 minutes to sign up for 4 separate cloud storage accounts and upload to all of them. Or seed a BitTorrent. Or both.
    - KronisLV 5y ago
      I have to somewhat agree: the more of these services you upload the same file to, the greater the chances of at least one of these copies surviving over a prolonged period of time. Now, i cannot recall what it was called, but there was this one app that could upload files to dozens of them at the same time, provided that you have the accounts - if the files aren't publicly listed and don't compromise your privacy, that's definitely a route to consider.
- eptcyka 5y ago
  I'd love to know where I can get drives that cheap.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    Yeah, sorry, i was misled by a google shopping ad summary. Edited the post for correctness.
gregmac 5y ago
While a good point, if the content is important to you, then you should take appropriate measures to back it up. People should really consider storing their data only on a cloud provider that they don't pay for as equivalent to storing it only on a single USB stick. Even storing it on a provider you do pay for should be seen as equivalent to storing it on a NAS located in your house/office: it's somewhat protected against hardware failure, but still not "backed up". Instead of fire/theft, your concerns should be account closure/compromise, or the provider just going out of business.

by derefr 5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

Comparing an object store provider to YouTube is just pointless. It's not even close to being the same thing. If you cannot understand this difference, then we really cannot have a discussion. If you are shooting 8K video and don't know what to do with it, that is on you. Just because you can does not mean you should.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

When you can get 10TB [ EDIT: 4TB ] external drives for around $100, this is totally absurd pathway to take towards "preserving your own culture".

chongli 5y ago
It's more like $300+ dollars but there's another, more important point: hard drives fail. If we're talking about YouTube creators who spend hours producing culturally relevant content, we're going to want a much more robust backup strategy than simply throwing it on an external hard drive. Is it possible for a home user to build a storage system with high availability and off-site backups? Sure. Will it be affordable and convenient? Extremely unlikely.
- janandonly 5y ago
  I like your thinking... but why hide a video on a private HDD? I was just thinking about this problem from a different angle. What if everyone, or at least a bunch of willing souls, ran the following script on their on pc's: 1. YouTube-dlc every video you ever watch automatically in the background and save to NEW_VID directory 2. make a checksum of every file that comes into NEW_VID 3. Check by using the checksum if the file already exists on open platforms like https://joinpeertube.org https://joinpeertube.org, https://odysee.com https://odysee.com or https://d.tube https://d.tube 4. If not, upload the file. 5. Delete the file.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    What if the original content creator does not want their content shared in this manner? For every view not on YT, they lose metrics/money. It is not your decision to do this. I'm just so not understanding how the concept of ownership is lost to others.
- lupire 5y ago
  It takes 20 minutes to sign up for 4 separate cloud storage accounts and upload to all of them. Or seed a BitTorrent. Or both.
  - KronisLV 5y ago
    I have to somewhat agree: the more of these services you upload the same file to, the greater the chances of at least one of these copies surviving over a prolonged period of time. Now, i cannot recall what it was called, but there was this one app that could upload files to dozens of them at the same time, provided that you have the accounts - if the files aren't publicly listed and don't compromise your privacy, that's definitely a route to consider.
eptcyka 5y ago
I'd love to know where I can get drives that cheap.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  Yeah, sorry, i was misled by a google shopping ad summary. Edited the post for correctness.

gregmac 5y ago

While a good point, if the content is important to you, then you should take appropriate measures to back it up. People should really consider storing their data only on a cloud provider that they don't pay for as equivalent to storing it only on a single USB stick. Even storing it on a provider you do pay for should be seen as equivalent to storing it on a NAS located in your house/office: it's somewhat protected against hardware failure, but still not "backed up". Instead of fire/theft, your concerns should be account closure/compromise, or the provider just going out of business.