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To me, seeing a Christian media outlet cover the story is interesting in itself, so I think this is sufficiently different from the MIT Technology Review articl

by dkarl 5y ago

To me, seeing a Christian media outlet cover the story is interesting in itself, so I think this is sufficiently different from the MIT Technology Review article to merit its own post. However, since I don't know what kind of reach Relevant Magazine has among American Christians (and I suspect it's very little) I'm surprised to see it on the front page.

jtdev 5y ago
Relevant Magazine is an Antifa/BLM advocate front. The previous editor was ousted by a mob of woke activist employees because he wasn't "committed" enough to their vision/ideology and efforts to use the magazine as a platform of radical leftist racism/anti-racism. Relevant is now literally encouraging their readers to contribute to Antifa/BLM bail funds: https://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/resources-to-help-you-become-a-better-anti-racist/ https://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/resources-to-help-y...
- dkarl 5y ago
  They seem pretty open about their beliefs, so I'm not sure why you call them a "front."
- balancemayvary 5y ago
  If you oppose the idea that Black Lives Matter, that's a white supremacist talking point. If [anonymous, spontaneously organizing locals counter-protesting white supremacists aka] Anti-fascists oppose you...it's because you're being an asshole.
  - sidlls 5y ago
    What if I disagree with some of the approaches of BLM activists?
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      You are free to disagree, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter. A youtube channel by Saint Andrewism is a wonderful educational source which covers all the matters at hand in detail. In particular, you may be interested in the history discussed in "The case against the Gu!IIotine", as well as "Nonviolence, a path to freedom?" I'd also suggest Beau of the 5th Column; he has bite-sized five minute "Let's talk about"s which address specific current events as they develop, and add context via a short history lesson. I'd finally point out that the State Monopoly on Violence is inherent. I'd also point out that MLK was white-washed, and that neoliberal white culture curated the parts of his speeches what suited it. I'd love to tell people that violence isn't the answer, but I can't do that unless I'm ready to feed them. This quote, too, also is logical to me: Malatesta: "Violence .. is eminently corrupting." largely paraphrasing this one but it rings true to the authors original sentiment. So, in short, you can feel lucky, because you have the privilege to take whichever side in debate you choose, and you don't have to feel the collective grief and anxiety [which comes with] being targeted for something as arbitrary as the amount of melanin in your epidermis.
      - xupybd 5y ago
        I think the argument isn't generally that non violence is always the only option it's that the current situation doesn't warrant violence. I understand this is a subjective point of view as it is in response to police violence. If things are as bad as the media suggests, that racist cops are targeting and killing black men and getting away with it then yes they system needs to be over thrown and the argument to use violence is easy to make. But many don't believe things are that bad. I don't know as I don't live in these neighborhoods. But I think it's valuable to examine why people disagree on the issue.
        balancemayvary 5y ago
        Hey, that's fine, but keep in mind: Black people don't want to be used as a political football. Black people accrue psychic trauma every time another news story like this breaks. It's communal mourning. Being able to "examine the issue" without being at this disadvantage is a privilege. https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard... We are all affected, but some much more harshly than others.
    - pianoben 5y ago
      This is called having a "nuanced perspective". It's something of a lost art these days.
      - balancemayvary 5y ago
        It's not nuanced if you're ignoring the history. Root cause analysis is painstaking, and ignorance is bliss. https://forwardky.com/beau-takes-on-crt-and-indoctrination/ https://forwardky.com/beau-takes-on-crt-and-indoctrination/ I'd never want to be on the side of people saying "Don't learn that"...that's all I'm saying.
  - foolinaround 5y ago
    Can one agree that black lives matter, without needing to support the tactics of the 'Black Lives Matter' organization? Still a white supremacist?
    - pnutjam 5y ago
      It's a tricky line. I'd err on the side of "disregard that rascist", but that's me. If you find yourself taking about how BLM is bad alot, you're probably dealing with some racism that you can't see in yourself.
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      Can one agree that black lives matter, without being a white supremacist: yes. (good so far) ...without needing to support the tactics of the "BLM organization"? The presupposition that BLM is a single, organized monolith begins to wander into the grey area. Local orgs spring up. Most often, this goes unreported on. When the white+neoliberal news organizations find a "BLM group" that does something they can skew, THAT one gets all the media coverage.
      - jtdev 5y ago
        That's like saying: "The nazi youth was not a monolith." See how your logic is flawed? Maybe stop associating with a violent, anti-family organization like BLM if you don't want to be lumped in with the contingent burning down cities, looting, and encouraging/inciting violence against others based purely on skin color.
        balancemayvary 5y ago
        Lol, mask off. I don't debate bad-faith actors, and that's all this reply is; sensationalist and fantastical; not rooted in the reality. "Burning down cities"; a few buildings across seperate incidents. Reporting focused entirely on senstationalizing that, and ignored the very real, very NEEDED progress made by the remainder of the protests. Just pre-empptively (because I won't be further replying to this sub-sub-thread): It's well documented that inciting of violence is OFTEN done by undercover cops, well-to-do-white-supremacist-home-owners-using-spray-paint-for-the-first-time and neo-nazis. Edit: One more thing I can't let slide: Families can organize traditionally. Some don't get the privelege to choose; violence campaigns of austerity ripped apart their neighborhoods. Others self-determine that the traditional family structure doesn't suit them. Autonomy means we should be able to choose... ...either way, the forced assumption that "BLM is anti-family" is...WOW! This is a movement about family members having their loved one's LIVES ripped away by Illegitimate State Violence. ...The mental gymnastics you'd have to do to logically rest with the idea that BLM is somehow "anti-family", wow, ok buddy. So nope, your little yugi-oh card does is not such a good uno-reverso, after all ♥
  - jtdev 5y ago
    Antifa doesn't simply "oppose" those they disagree with.. they engage in actual violence. You've clearly adopted a cultist mindset...
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      anyone curious about this poster need not look far, in this thread, and elsewhere, to note their hypocrisy. As such, I will not be engaging with them further.
      - jtdev 5y ago
        The tactics of one who's arguments crumble in the slightest glimmer of sunlight... I hope one day you can understand how hateful your positions are.
        balancemayvary 5y ago
        I hope you realize that you're projecting, because what you're saying applies perfectly to you.
        staysafeanon 5y ago
        I hope you realize that you're projecting, because what you're saying applies perfectly to you.
  - staysafeanon 5y ago
    >If you oppose the idea that Black Lives Matter, that's a white supremacist talking point. No it's not. It's a factual, logical talking point. If you oppose the idea that Black lives matter, then you're being a racist. Black Lives Matter != Black lives matter >If [anonymous, spontaneously organizing locals counter-protesting white supremacists aka] Anti-fascists oppose you...it's because you're being an asshole. "We call ourselves the Anti-Bad Guy squad and we label our opponents Bad Guys. How can people not understand this? We can never be terrorists because we're fighting the Bad Guys. It's so simple to understand. Everything we do is justified because of our name."[0] You've become so predictable (NPC) someone meme'd you years ago. [0] https://img.ifunny.co/images/9417ddbc95c84c211735c10ddb52b2aba00a40778ebc9501e5e6570405732163_1.jpg https://img.ifunny.co/images/9417ddbc95c84c211735c10ddb52b2a...
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      ok
- jrochkind1 5y ago
  I encourage people to contribute to all kinds of things I'm not a "front" for. ??? Clearly, they are sympathetic to Black Lives Matter, and don't particularly hide it, it's right there on the page! "Front" to me implies that a) they are operated by the thing, not just sympathetic, and b) they try to hide that fact. Those things don't appear to be true? But sure, you can tell people they are sympathetic to Black Lives Matter movement, if you think this is important context for their facebook reporting re-posts, why not. About half of the USA would currently apparently agree, and half disagree, with that sympathy. (I don't think the half that would agree are all 'fronts'!) I don't know if they are sympathetic to "antifa" or not (which is not the same thing or people as Black Lives Matter, despite right-wing talking points), but... I am, personally.
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    I'm certainly in favor of contributing to bail funds, which is a pretty basic part of the legal system (like it or not), and which is not even the same thing as legal-defense funding. It's quite milque-toast, yet ignored. Bail was designed to ensure the defendant arrives at the trial by taking a fraction of their wealth as collateral. Instead, we now live in a society where most americans cannot afford a surprise $500 bill. We're really stuck-in-first-gear here if this is what we settle for.

by dkarl 5y ago

jtdev 5y ago

Relevant Magazine is an Antifa/BLM advocate front. The previous editor was ousted by a mob of woke activist employees because he wasn't "committed" enough to their vision/ideology and efforts to use the magazine as a platform of radical leftist racism/anti-racism. Relevant is now literally encouraging their readers to contribute to Antifa/BLM bail funds: https://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/resources-to-help-you-become-a-better-anti-racist/ https://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/resources-to-help-y...

dkarl 5y ago
They seem pretty open about their beliefs, so I'm not sure why you call them a "front."
balancemayvary 5y ago
If you oppose the idea that Black Lives Matter, that's a white supremacist talking point. If [anonymous, spontaneously organizing locals counter-protesting white supremacists aka] Anti-fascists oppose you...it's because you're being an asshole.
- sidlls 5y ago
  What if I disagree with some of the approaches of BLM activists?
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    You are free to disagree, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter. A youtube channel by Saint Andrewism is a wonderful educational source which covers all the matters at hand in detail. In particular, you may be interested in the history discussed in "The case against the Gu!IIotine", as well as "Nonviolence, a path to freedom?" I'd also suggest Beau of the 5th Column; he has bite-sized five minute "Let's talk about"s which address specific current events as they develop, and add context via a short history lesson. I'd finally point out that the State Monopoly on Violence is inherent. I'd also point out that MLK was white-washed, and that neoliberal white culture curated the parts of his speeches what suited it. I'd love to tell people that violence isn't the answer, but I can't do that unless I'm ready to feed them. This quote, too, also is logical to me: Malatesta: "Violence .. is eminently corrupting." largely paraphrasing this one but it rings true to the authors original sentiment. So, in short, you can feel lucky, because you have the privilege to take whichever side in debate you choose, and you don't have to feel the collective grief and anxiety [which comes with] being targeted for something as arbitrary as the amount of melanin in your epidermis.
    - xupybd 5y ago
      I think the argument isn't generally that non violence is always the only option it's that the current situation doesn't warrant violence. I understand this is a subjective point of view as it is in response to police violence. If things are as bad as the media suggests, that racist cops are targeting and killing black men and getting away with it then yes they system needs to be over thrown and the argument to use violence is easy to make. But many don't believe things are that bad. I don't know as I don't live in these neighborhoods. But I think it's valuable to examine why people disagree on the issue.
      - balancemayvary 5y ago
        Hey, that's fine, but keep in mind: Black people don't want to be used as a political football. Black people accrue psychic trauma every time another news story like this breaks. It's communal mourning. Being able to "examine the issue" without being at this disadvantage is a privilege. https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard... We are all affected, but some much more harshly than others.
  - pianoben 5y ago
    This is called having a "nuanced perspective". It's something of a lost art these days.
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      It's not nuanced if you're ignoring the history. Root cause analysis is painstaking, and ignorance is bliss. https://forwardky.com/beau-takes-on-crt-and-indoctrination/ https://forwardky.com/beau-takes-on-crt-and-indoctrination/ I'd never want to be on the side of people saying "Don't learn that"...that's all I'm saying.
- foolinaround 5y ago
  Can one agree that black lives matter, without needing to support the tactics of the 'Black Lives Matter' organization? Still a white supremacist?
  - pnutjam 5y ago
    It's a tricky line. I'd err on the side of "disregard that rascist", but that's me. If you find yourself taking about how BLM is bad alot, you're probably dealing with some racism that you can't see in yourself.
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    Can one agree that black lives matter, without being a white supremacist: yes. (good so far) ...without needing to support the tactics of the "BLM organization"? The presupposition that BLM is a single, organized monolith begins to wander into the grey area. Local orgs spring up. Most often, this goes unreported on. When the white+neoliberal news organizations find a "BLM group" that does something they can skew, THAT one gets all the media coverage.
    - jtdev 5y ago
      That's like saying: "The nazi youth was not a monolith." See how your logic is flawed? Maybe stop associating with a violent, anti-family organization like BLM if you don't want to be lumped in with the contingent burning down cities, looting, and encouraging/inciting violence against others based purely on skin color.
      - balancemayvary 5y ago
        Lol, mask off. I don't debate bad-faith actors, and that's all this reply is; sensationalist and fantastical; not rooted in the reality. "Burning down cities"; a few buildings across seperate incidents. Reporting focused entirely on senstationalizing that, and ignored the very real, very NEEDED progress made by the remainder of the protests. Just pre-empptively (because I won't be further replying to this sub-sub-thread): It's well documented that inciting of violence is OFTEN done by undercover cops, well-to-do-white-supremacist-home-owners-using-spray-paint-for-the-first-time and neo-nazis. Edit: One more thing I can't let slide: Families can organize traditionally. Some don't get the privelege to choose; violence campaigns of austerity ripped apart their neighborhoods. Others self-determine that the traditional family structure doesn't suit them. Autonomy means we should be able to choose... ...either way, the forced assumption that "BLM is anti-family" is...WOW! This is a movement about family members having their loved one's LIVES ripped away by Illegitimate State Violence. ...The mental gymnastics you'd have to do to logically rest with the idea that BLM is somehow "anti-family", wow, ok buddy. So nope, your little yugi-oh card does is not such a good uno-reverso, after all ♥
- jtdev 5y ago
  Antifa doesn't simply "oppose" those they disagree with.. they engage in actual violence. You've clearly adopted a cultist mindset...
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    anyone curious about this poster need not look far, in this thread, and elsewhere, to note their hypocrisy. As such, I will not be engaging with them further.
    - jtdev 5y ago
      The tactics of one who's arguments crumble in the slightest glimmer of sunlight... I hope one day you can understand how hateful your positions are.
      - balancemayvary 5y ago
        I hope you realize that you're projecting, because what you're saying applies perfectly to you.
        staysafeanon 5y ago
        I hope you realize that you're projecting, because what you're saying applies perfectly to you.
- staysafeanon 5y ago
  >If you oppose the idea that Black Lives Matter, that's a white supremacist talking point. No it's not. It's a factual, logical talking point. If you oppose the idea that Black lives matter, then you're being a racist. Black Lives Matter != Black lives matter >If [anonymous, spontaneously organizing locals counter-protesting white supremacists aka] Anti-fascists oppose you...it's because you're being an asshole. "We call ourselves the Anti-Bad Guy squad and we label our opponents Bad Guys. How can people not understand this? We can never be terrorists because we're fighting the Bad Guys. It's so simple to understand. Everything we do is justified because of our name."[0] You've become so predictable (NPC) someone meme'd you years ago. [0] https://img.ifunny.co/images/9417ddbc95c84c211735c10ddb52b2aba00a40778ebc9501e5e6570405732163_1.jpg https://img.ifunny.co/images/9417ddbc95c84c211735c10ddb52b2a...
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    ok
jrochkind1 5y ago
I encourage people to contribute to all kinds of things I'm not a "front" for. ??? Clearly, they are sympathetic to Black Lives Matter, and don't particularly hide it, it's right there on the page! "Front" to me implies that a) they are operated by the thing, not just sympathetic, and b) they try to hide that fact. Those things don't appear to be true? But sure, you can tell people they are sympathetic to Black Lives Matter movement, if you think this is important context for their facebook reporting re-posts, why not. About half of the USA would currently apparently agree, and half disagree, with that sympathy. (I don't think the half that would agree are all 'fronts'!) I don't know if they are sympathetic to "antifa" or not (which is not the same thing or people as Black Lives Matter, despite right-wing talking points), but... I am, personally.
- balancemayvary 5y ago
  I'm certainly in favor of contributing to bail funds, which is a pretty basic part of the legal system (like it or not), and which is not even the same thing as legal-defense funding. It's quite milque-toast, yet ignored. Bail was designed to ensure the defendant arrives at the trial by taking a fraction of their wealth as collateral. Instead, we now live in a society where most americans cannot afford a surprise $500 bill. We're really stuck-in-first-gear here if this is what we settle for.