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freedom of speech != freedom to hate speech There's a difference, words, speech do cause pain and terrible issues in society and has to be moderated like a for

by vvvac 5y ago

freedom of speech != freedom to hate speech There's a difference, words, speech do cause pain and terrible issues in society and has to be moderated like a forum. It's quite simple.

silicon2401 5y ago
I wasn't talking about hate speech, but the fact that you jump to thinking disagreement = hate speech is exactly why I don't talk about things with people unless they're close friends.
- vvvac 5y ago
  I didn't jump anything, your freedom has limits, you're not free to kill people for example, same thing with speech and that's why it's moderated, grow up.
  - cybernautique 5y ago
    You immediately jumped to hate speech, your denial is insulting, and your petulance is jarring. I've been on both sides of this chasm. There is controversial speech which isn't racist. I can concede that there ought to be consequences for perpetuating racism and also maintain that freedom of speech is sacred. Grow up.
    - vvvac 5y ago
      I didn't jump anything buddy, it was in the context of the parent comment. If a woman falsely accuses you of raping her, it's also speech. If you call a little black girl very mean things not being able to be posted here, you also deserve to pay for the damages. It goes over your head but thankfully not the people in charge of your country.
sayonaraman 5y ago
> words cause pain more often than not it's the pain of hearing a different opinion. The "hate speech" label turned into "speech I hate" long time ago.
- silicon2401 5y ago
  This is a great way to capture my view on the topic. How do we draw the line between hate speech that should be controlled, vs somebody's personal problem? If we call a rich white guy a cracker and he has a breakdown, I don't expect many anti-hate-speech people would mobilize a twitter army to defend him. That to me looks like an issue with "speech I hate" vs "hate speech", as you said.
  - vvvac 5y ago
    You jump to a white guy labelled as a cracker as an example of hate speech? That's hilarious, projecting projecting projecting, never thinking outside of your own shoes. A better example: a mother lost their kid to a torturer and rapist and you go on TV to say the little kid (2yr old) deserved it for being black and stupid... You have no imagination, you may have money but you're still dumb, sorry.
    - silicon2401 5y ago
      I'm not even white lol. You're clearly more interested in shutting down an opposing viewpoint than having an actual discussion, so I won't be engaging you further, cheers.
      - vvvac 5y ago
        It really doesn't matter if you're white or purple, the argument stands, you can be extremely damaging, accusing someone of rape for example is speech and it's illegal, people can end up in jail for speech etc.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  How would you attempt objectively measure something like this? The experiences we, as individuals have, is such a small slice of reality. In order to make broad statements, it's crucial to have a lot of perspective - do you feel your experience is sufficiently representative to make such statements?

by vvvac 5y ago

freedom of speech != freedom to hate speech There's a difference, words, speech do cause pain and terrible issues in society and has to be moderated like a forum. It's quite simple.

silicon2401 5y ago

I wasn't talking about hate speech, but the fact that you jump to thinking disagreement = hate speech is exactly why I don't talk about things with people unless they're close friends.

vvvac 5y ago
I didn't jump anything, your freedom has limits, you're not free to kill people for example, same thing with speech and that's why it's moderated, grow up.
- cybernautique 5y ago
  You immediately jumped to hate speech, your denial is insulting, and your petulance is jarring. I've been on both sides of this chasm. There is controversial speech which isn't racist. I can concede that there ought to be consequences for perpetuating racism and also maintain that freedom of speech is sacred. Grow up.
  - vvvac 5y ago
    I didn't jump anything buddy, it was in the context of the parent comment. If a woman falsely accuses you of raping her, it's also speech. If you call a little black girl very mean things not being able to be posted here, you also deserve to pay for the damages. It goes over your head but thankfully not the people in charge of your country.

sayonaraman 5y ago

> words cause pain more often than not it's the pain of hearing a different opinion. The "hate speech" label turned into "speech I hate" long time ago.

silicon2401 5y ago
This is a great way to capture my view on the topic. How do we draw the line between hate speech that should be controlled, vs somebody's personal problem? If we call a rich white guy a cracker and he has a breakdown, I don't expect many anti-hate-speech people would mobilize a twitter army to defend him. That to me looks like an issue with "speech I hate" vs "hate speech", as you said.
- vvvac 5y ago
  You jump to a white guy labelled as a cracker as an example of hate speech? That's hilarious, projecting projecting projecting, never thinking outside of your own shoes. A better example: a mother lost their kid to a torturer and rapist and you go on TV to say the little kid (2yr old) deserved it for being black and stupid... You have no imagination, you may have money but you're still dumb, sorry.
  - silicon2401 5y ago
    I'm not even white lol. You're clearly more interested in shutting down an opposing viewpoint than having an actual discussion, so I won't be engaging you further, cheers.
    - vvvac 5y ago
      It really doesn't matter if you're white or purple, the argument stands, you can be extremely damaging, accusing someone of rape for example is speech and it's illegal, people can end up in jail for speech etc.
edmundsauto 5y ago
How would you attempt objectively measure something like this? The experiences we, as individuals have, is such a small slice of reality. In order to make broad statements, it's crucial to have a lot of perspective - do you feel your experience is sufficiently representative to make such statements?