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I don't know. Lots of people around the world were killed by people who believe n Jesus. 100s of millions actually.

by dannyr 5y ago

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
Yeah, I saw these calculations somewhere, like considering the Nazi to be Christians etc. There is something very wrong with the world. When you actually read the gospels, it is clear that Jesus was very much against violence and his main message was love, you can see it on every page, each allegory. Whatever happened in the institutional Christianity like Crusades was a sick invention of a human mind. I wonder what was going on in the heads of people who read the Gospels but decided to take their swords and kill others anyway. To me these are not Christians, only "people who call themselves Christians."
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  The Bible makes it pretty clear no one can conform to its standards - “we are all sinners” etc. - so by that standard there’s only one Christian.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    Well, "the Bible" is a complex concept. Not all Christians accepted the Old Testament. Since the very beginning there were groups that saw an enormous conflict between the basic message of the Old and and New Testament. First there were Gnostics and Marcionites, and then many others until Cathars in the 14th century when the Pope said that anybody who kills a Cathar can get their castle. So in the history of Christianity, there were longer periods of (some) Christians not believing in the ST than believing in it. This distinction is crucial because the ST contains all sorts of atrocities. Modern Christians try to justify them by allegoric interpretations but the logic of this approach is very weak and basically indefensible. Whereas when you don't feel limited by the ST, things become much easier (and a bit more logical).
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      > Well, "the Bible" is a complex concept. The "everyone is a sinner" part of it is not, though.

I don't know. Lots of people around the world were killed by people who believe n Jesus. 100s of millions actually.

by dannyr 5y ago

I don't know. Lots of people around the world were killed by people who believe n Jesus. 100s of millions actually.

Yeah, I saw these calculations somewhere, like considering the Nazi to be Christians etc. There is something very wrong with the world. When you actually read the gospels, it is clear that Jesus was very much against violence and his main message was love, you can see it on every page, each allegory. Whatever happened in the institutional Christianity like Crusades was a sick invention of a human mind. I wonder what was going on in the heads of people who read the Gospels but decided to take their swords and kill others anyway. To me these are not Christians, only "people who call themselves Christians."

ceejayoz 5y ago
The Bible makes it pretty clear no one can conform to its standards - “we are all sinners” etc. - so by that standard there’s only one Christian.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  Well, "the Bible" is a complex concept. Not all Christians accepted the Old Testament. Since the very beginning there were groups that saw an enormous conflict between the basic message of the Old and and New Testament. First there were Gnostics and Marcionites, and then many others until Cathars in the 14th century when the Pope said that anybody who kills a Cathar can get their castle. So in the history of Christianity, there were longer periods of (some) Christians not believing in the ST than believing in it. This distinction is crucial because the ST contains all sorts of atrocities. Modern Christians try to justify them by allegoric interpretations but the logic of this approach is very weak and basically indefensible. Whereas when you don't feel limited by the ST, things become much easier (and a bit more logical).
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > Well, "the Bible" is a complex concept. The "everyone is a sinner" part of it is not, though.