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That's almost the exact same curb weight as an F-250... F-250s can drive practically anywhere in the US. Where would these be unlawful to drive?

jeffbee 5y ago
On numerous streets of Berkeley and many other California cities where the operation of commercial vehicles over 3 tons is regulated. https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Berkeley/#14.60.070 https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Berkeley/#14.60.070 "Prohibiting the use of certain streets by commercial trucks exceeding three tons gross vehicle weight." In California pickup trucks generally are commercial vehicles, regardless of whether they are used for hire or not. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/commercial-vehicles/commercial-vehicle-definitions/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-regi...
- staysafeanon 5y ago
  >operation of commercial vehicles over 3 tons is regulated. These are not considered "commercial vehicles" by the very code you linked. They are considered passenger pickup trucks. In California pickup trucks are not considered commercial vehicles unless they are being used or maintained for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property. Your links literally prove my point: these trucks can be driven anywhere in Berkeley (unless it's a work truck).
  - jeffbee 5y ago
    No, and you should stick to topics you actually know about. Virtually every pickup in California has a commercial registration, including my Tacoma, because it has been "designed ... primarily for the transportation of property." Many California truck buyers are surprised by this fact.
    - rconti 5y ago
      Meaning, "has truck plates?" I'd say maybe 50%, tops.
      - jeffbee 5y ago
        On my morning walk I passed dozens of parked pickup trucks and all had commercial plates. They are easy to spot because they don’t follow the 1ABC234 format. They are either 1A23456 or 12345A6.
      - giobox 5y ago
        In my experience it's close to impossible to register something like an F150 in California without using a commercial registration. A quick google suggests this experience is widespread. I don't think I have ever seen a F150/250 or Silverado without one in California, ever - easy to spot because the number plates are a different format. There's always been fun debates among car enthusiasts about what you register a Subaru Baja (a strange half-car, half-truck thing) as in California too...
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    Pretty sure they do fall under designed…for the transportation of property. It's not really stunning to me that cops aren't out there checking 43 streets for vehicles that are in the wrong tax category by 700 pounds.
Drunk_Engineer 5y ago
Any road not designated a Truck Route.
- staysafeanon 5y ago
  Wrong. They are allowed practically anywhere an F-250 is allowed and are not limited to truck routes.
  - Drunk_Engineer 5y ago
    Many cities in CA have designated "truck" routes, as defined by vehicle weight. For example, Redwood City municipal code states: "The following streets are hereby declared to be truck traffic routes for the movement of vehicles exceeding a maximum gross weight of three (3) tons, hereinafter called 'trucks', and the City Manager is hereby authorized and directed to designate such streets by appropriate signs as "truck route". The streets are specifically designated as follows:..." and: "No person shall operate any truck having a gross weight in excess of three (3) tons on any street in the City except on those streets specified in the preceding section..."

jeffbee 5y ago

On numerous streets of Berkeley and many other California cities where the operation of commercial vehicles over 3 tons is regulated. https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Berkeley/#14.60.070 https://www.codepublishing.com/CA/Berkeley/#14.60.070 "Prohibiting the use of certain streets by commercial trucks exceeding three tons gross vehicle weight." In California pickup trucks generally are commercial vehicles, regardless of whether they are used for hire or not. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/commercial-vehicles/commercial-vehicle-definitions/ https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-regi...

staysafeanon 5y ago
>operation of commercial vehicles over 3 tons is regulated. These are not considered "commercial vehicles" by the very code you linked. They are considered passenger pickup trucks. In California pickup trucks are not considered commercial vehicles unless they are being used or maintained for the transportation of persons for hire, compensation, or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property. Your links literally prove my point: these trucks can be driven anywhere in Berkeley (unless it's a work truck).
- jeffbee 5y ago
  No, and you should stick to topics you actually know about. Virtually every pickup in California has a commercial registration, including my Tacoma, because it has been "designed ... primarily for the transportation of property." Many California truck buyers are surprised by this fact.
  - rconti 5y ago
    Meaning, "has truck plates?" I'd say maybe 50%, tops.
    - jeffbee 5y ago
      On my morning walk I passed dozens of parked pickup trucks and all had commercial plates. They are easy to spot because they don’t follow the 1ABC234 format. They are either 1A23456 or 12345A6.
    - giobox 5y ago
      In my experience it's close to impossible to register something like an F150 in California without using a commercial registration. A quick google suggests this experience is widespread. I don't think I have ever seen a F150/250 or Silverado without one in California, ever - easy to spot because the number plates are a different format. There's always been fun debates among car enthusiasts about what you register a Subaru Baja (a strange half-car, half-truck thing) as in California too...
- maxerickson 5y ago
  Pretty sure they do fall under designed…for the transportation of property. It's not really stunning to me that cops aren't out there checking 43 streets for vehicles that are in the wrong tax category by 700 pounds.

Drunk_Engineer 5y ago

Any road not designated a Truck Route.

staysafeanon 5y ago
Wrong. They are allowed practically anywhere an F-250 is allowed and are not limited to truck routes.
- Drunk_Engineer 5y ago
  Many cities in CA have designated "truck" routes, as defined by vehicle weight. For example, Redwood City municipal code states: "The following streets are hereby declared to be truck traffic routes for the movement of vehicles exceeding a maximum gross weight of three (3) tons, hereinafter called 'trucks', and the City Manager is hereby authorized and directed to designate such streets by appropriate signs as "truck route". The streets are specifically designated as follows:..." and: "No person shall operate any truck having a gross weight in excess of three (3) tons on any street in the City except on those streets specified in the preceding section..."