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China routine threatens US allies with military, even nuclear action. If the US military did not consider China a potential adversary it is not doing its job.

by bhawks 5y ago

China routine threatens US allies with military, even nuclear action. If the US military did not consider China a potential adversary it is not doing its job. Threatening nuclear attack on Japan https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml Border standoff with India https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192872.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192872.shtml Threatening Australia with nukes https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234460.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234460.shtml

tcmart14 5y ago
To be fair, I deployed on US Navy ships twice. It is better to think of it as fking with eachother. We tail them for a week or two, they tail us. Russians fly an aircraft over us, we do it over them. I think it is more about showing off than actually threatening. Media only presents this when Russians or Chinese approach us, but not the other way around.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  It's literally tribal territorial rattling. All social animals "play fight" to determine who's stronger and thus "entitled" to the best resources.
jackpirate 5y ago
Your link claiming China is threatening a nuclear attack on Japan doesn't even mention nuclear weapons, directly or indirectly. China has a "no first use" policy on it's nuclear weapons, and therefore has publicly committed not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state like Japan. (The US, in contrast, has a policy of allowing first-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.) For details on China's policy, you can see e.g.: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2018.1458415 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2018.1...
- bhawks 5y ago
  I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read. Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though. When was the last time PBS or NPR called for expanding nuclear capabilities 10x? In China it was last year. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml CCPs no-first-use is just window dressing on the MAD status quo of the world. Perhaps it makes them think they look moral? Their cavalier way of discussing it is disgusting.
  - weq 5y ago
    yeh lol "no first use" as they cut up and sell the body parts of anyone who disagrees with their ideology.
    - InitialLastName 5y ago
      IIRC it's the US allies who do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi
  - jcampbell1 5y ago
    It is worth asking if China is being practical or paranoid when it comes to shoring up its nuclear arsenal. As an American, I see the US as a democracy with a penchant for electing an unstable leader of the armed forces with a severe personality disorder who casually talks about using nuclear weapons. Seems like a practical move to make sure they have solid rocket motors and warheads not in storage. That guarantees MAD regardless of who the US elects, thus all generals on both sides will truthfully say any nuclear confrontation is unwinnable.

by bhawks 5y ago

tcmart14 5y ago

To be fair, I deployed on US Navy ships twice. It is better to think of it as fking with eachother. We tail them for a week or two, they tail us. Russians fly an aircraft over us, we do it over them. I think it is more about showing off than actually threatening. Media only presents this when Russians or Chinese approach us, but not the other way around.

hypertele-Xii 5y ago
It's literally tribal territorial rattling. All social animals "play fight" to determine who's stronger and thus "entitled" to the best resources.

jackpirate 5y ago

Your link claiming China is threatening a nuclear attack on Japan doesn't even mention nuclear weapons, directly or indirectly. China has a "no first use" policy on it's nuclear weapons, and therefore has publicly committed not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear state like Japan. (The US, in contrast, has a policy of allowing first-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.) For details on China's policy, you can see e.g.: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2018.1458415 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2018.1...

bhawks 5y ago
I purposefully used the Global Times (CCP state run news source) for all those links - it is interesting reading what they directly want the world to read. Anyway the original message was much more colorful. This video from Chinese military channel https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA https://youtu.be/7vKf5SXnsHA Yes they pulled it after 2 million views. The Japanese exception to no first use message was delivered pretty clearly though. When was the last time PBS or NPR called for expanding nuclear capabilities 10x? In China it was last year. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml CCPs no-first-use is just window dressing on the MAD status quo of the world. Perhaps it makes them think they look moral? Their cavalier way of discussing it is disgusting.
- weq 5y ago
  yeh lol "no first use" as they cut up and sell the body parts of anyone who disagrees with their ideology.
  - InitialLastName 5y ago
    IIRC it's the US allies who do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi
- jcampbell1 5y ago
  It is worth asking if China is being practical or paranoid when it comes to shoring up its nuclear arsenal. As an American, I see the US as a democracy with a penchant for electing an unstable leader of the armed forces with a severe personality disorder who casually talks about using nuclear weapons. Seems like a practical move to make sure they have solid rocket motors and warheads not in storage. That guarantees MAD regardless of who the US elects, thus all generals on both sides will truthfully say any nuclear confrontation is unwinnable.