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>It's so sad that HN is becoming more and more part of the right-wing outrage amplification media network. What do you mean by this?

downWidOutaFite 5y ago
Been seeing a lot of the right-wing media's daily outrage and victimization stories showing up on HN. Edit: I don't want to answer the question below because then I'll get another -4 hit on the karma from the outraged crowd here.
- Nicksil 5y ago
  >Been seeing a lot of the right-wing media's daily outrage and victimization stories showing up on HN. What in this article do you disagree with?
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    tptacek's take is pretty good: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28689323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28689323
    - mariusor 5y ago
      I haven't read much by Boghossian but from the bits that are floating on the internet he seemed to hold a decently balanced perspective on things. Somehow reducing him and his decade of activity as a critical thinking professor as just "a troll" based on a half-failed publicity stunt seems a little drastic.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  This seems to be a case of the left being attacked by the further left. I am pretty damned far left, and this article resonates with me, so I wouldn't call it 'right wing outrage.'
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    I've considered myself center-left and left in oscillations. I am pretty upset by what these people are upto on both sides. The extreme right is incoherent in scientific truths and the extreme left has been in a self-inflicting journey to destroy themselves. So none of this non-sense makes any sense to me on the media these days. I've talked to a bunch of people and apparently this is everyone's experience. I recently started watching for the giggles, Fox News (oh my, which I would have never ever done it before) and surprisingly, lot of it makes sense for the first time ever. Some of it is still dubious but it's hilarious what's going on in the world at the moment.
  - mcv 5y ago
    I'm also pretty far left I guess, and I'm absolutely horrified by what the right has turned into in the US (and to a lesser extent also in Europe). But that doesn't mean I support such nonsense articles in academia; quite the contrary! Diversity is of course important, but not the primary goal of universities. Diversity is important because it serves the primary goal: combining inputs from all different perspectives, analysing then rationally, and making the results available to everybody. People who want to exclude people based on their race, gender, religion, cultural background or whatever should not be allowed to succeed at doing so, because that would hurt the university. But obviously this goes both ways: you can't tolerate racists who want to marginalise black students, but you also can't tolerate groups who want to push out people who don't toe their specific ideology. In any case, it's certainly not true that HN is mostly right-wing; many people here support basic income, universal health care, equality of various kinds, etc. Diversity is supported by many, it just shouldn't be weaponised to exclude people, unless they are actively hurting others. There are of course many different viewpoints here, and there are absolutely people on the right, but if I'd have to guess, I'd say most here tend towards the libertarian left.
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  why accumulate karma if you’re not going to spend it here and there?

downWidOutaFite 5y ago

Been seeing a lot of the right-wing media's daily outrage and victimization stories showing up on HN. Edit: I don't want to answer the question below because then I'll get another -4 hit on the karma from the outraged crowd here.

Nicksil 5y ago
>Been seeing a lot of the right-wing media's daily outrage and victimization stories showing up on HN. What in this article do you disagree with?
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  tptacek's take is pretty good: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28689323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28689323
  - mariusor 5y ago
    I haven't read much by Boghossian but from the bits that are floating on the internet he seemed to hold a decently balanced perspective on things. Somehow reducing him and his decade of activity as a critical thinking professor as just "a troll" based on a half-failed publicity stunt seems a little drastic.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
This seems to be a case of the left being attacked by the further left. I am pretty damned far left, and this article resonates with me, so I wouldn't call it 'right wing outrage.'
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I've considered myself center-left and left in oscillations. I am pretty upset by what these people are upto on both sides. The extreme right is incoherent in scientific truths and the extreme left has been in a self-inflicting journey to destroy themselves. So none of this non-sense makes any sense to me on the media these days. I've talked to a bunch of people and apparently this is everyone's experience. I recently started watching for the giggles, Fox News (oh my, which I would have never ever done it before) and surprisingly, lot of it makes sense for the first time ever. Some of it is still dubious but it's hilarious what's going on in the world at the moment.
- mcv 5y ago
  I'm also pretty far left I guess, and I'm absolutely horrified by what the right has turned into in the US (and to a lesser extent also in Europe). But that doesn't mean I support such nonsense articles in academia; quite the contrary! Diversity is of course important, but not the primary goal of universities. Diversity is important because it serves the primary goal: combining inputs from all different perspectives, analysing then rationally, and making the results available to everybody. People who want to exclude people based on their race, gender, religion, cultural background or whatever should not be allowed to succeed at doing so, because that would hurt the university. But obviously this goes both ways: you can't tolerate racists who want to marginalise black students, but you also can't tolerate groups who want to push out people who don't toe their specific ideology. In any case, it's certainly not true that HN is mostly right-wing; many people here support basic income, universal health care, equality of various kinds, etc. Diversity is supported by many, it just shouldn't be weaponised to exclude people, unless they are actively hurting others. There are of course many different viewpoints here, and there are absolutely people on the right, but if I'd have to guess, I'd say most here tend towards the libertarian left.
jazzyjackson 5y ago
why accumulate karma if you’re not going to spend it here and there?