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> How long until the carnal content is algorithmically produced? I'll go you one further, how long until sexual function is algorithmically interpreted and e

> How long until the carnal content is algorithmically produced? I'll go you one further, how long until sexual function is algorithmically interpreted and expressed? We may reach the point when human sexual function is seen, or even institutionalized, as a useful zone of concern for e.g. meaningful productivity output toward larger goals. It used to be that you'd watch movies (or work in a place, IRL) where the businessman would work all day and then head to the club. Instant exhaustion relief. But today's work environments are merging with the club, which IMO has been a pretty nice idea and a good way to build on psychological feedback loops. Early in COVID there were lots of funny WFH videos where sensory home life merged with office life, as well. And what is sexual interest--what is sexual interest and activity doing for us? Can we learn to constructively stimulate sexual levels of interest toward some species-level goal beyond simple reproduction? _Algorithmically so_? (IMO a huge portion of society will not allow itself to consciously access this zone of thought, let alone accept it. Not just for religious reasons, but for overriding preferences reasons. There are big, important things that are more important to them than sex. But sex is still vital to humans, and we can't let one group's preference push helpful things away just because they're not used to dealing with them) (2. I could see something like a sexual captcha in a mildly-dystopian future. OK you want free access to a few hours of our service, so select those that most excite you, anonymous person? And instead of stoplights or boats or bicycles in this captcha, you get some REALLY amazing images. Some are wholly, overtly sexual. Others--uncomfortable but FASCINATING?! What...? Why...? Nobody really knows; the algorithm is just algorithming, but here is an energy source, is nobody really expected to tap into it?) Anyway thoughtful post, appreciated

blunte 5y ago
I'm intrigued by your reply, but admittedly I don't understand some of what you're saying... As for the captchas, I have noticed some obviously (poorly) AI-generated images... vehicles with really warped wheels (like the ears of some AI faces), and other tell-tale signs of unreality. But expanding on this general idea, we all have built in concepts of beauty and sex and coupling. Can this be distilled to some essence which could be represented in very non-human ways but still produce the same emotional response? A horny man (and from what I read, a horny woman also) can project sexual imagery over even the most mundane objects and movements. A piston in an engine? A pressure valve in a hydraulic system? I'm being a bit absurd, but humans are quite good at pattern matching in strange situations. If someone can figure out how to provide sexual stimulation without being considered pornographic, this could be ... I cannot think of an expression which would not be gratuitously sexual. It would be a big deal. Nope, that was a bit sexual. But you get the idea.
- themodelplumber 5y ago
  Yeah. It's really subjective and intuitive, it requires suspension of disbelief, maybe pants also, but the cultural progression is so clear, I mean just when you get done casting a rather masculine form of effeminate space hero to wide acclaim--OK you threw in a kitty cat, but still--you start to get feedback from keyed-up audience members to show more of the android, too. Or IDK, those aliens themselves looking kind of interesting. And spaceships, we are starting to worry ourselves now because are these metaphors really us, or what is reality, it's all kind of uncomfortable because I know what is real...and here is where interesting thought models go to die, this R-word. The word that makes us take ourselves so seriously that the S-word is thought of as a mockery of our R-word, because in R-life, the S-word is only transacted in weaker moments or whatever. The most interesting model for this to me is simply sensory variety and juxtaposition with developmental implications. E.g. once you find this place of security, you want more, but _different_ more. Maybe you're not ready to admit it, and what it looks like, or COULD look like, but I think an algorithm could easily blow past questions like this because who are you going to blame for these machinistic extrapolations which also beckon waves of deep pleasure. Something like that could totally leapfrog those questions, similar to the way Kurgesagt recently and cleanly leapfrogged my valued position as the family science teacher. Was it Kurgesagt, or was it Youtube? The internet? Who causes what? Well, here we are, anyway. I think maybe even the topic of sexuality could be leapfrogged, go away with a whimper but ideally it also brings the whimper forward and builds upon it, despite any groans from those disinclined few...and then gone, and here we are and why use that old word which is now a valued form of intrinsic energy available to humankind...another old word...
  - blunte 5y ago
    Well, I feel somewhat infantile and not understanding many of these words, but still grasping the concept. I did get this: you want more, but _different_ more This is absolutely true. We thrive on new experiences; but not so new as they don't connect to our previous experiences. Also, the concept of sexuality being leapfrogged - it's perhaps only the relatively modern concept of sexuality that needs to be leapfrogged. Scrolling back a few thousand years (a blip in human history), it is debatable whether the concept of sexuality even existed.

blunte 5y ago

I'm intrigued by your reply, but admittedly I don't understand some of what you're saying... As for the captchas, I have noticed some obviously (poorly) AI-generated images... vehicles with really warped wheels (like the ears of some AI faces), and other tell-tale signs of unreality. But expanding on this general idea, we all have built in concepts of beauty and sex and coupling. Can this be distilled to some essence which could be represented in very non-human ways but still produce the same emotional response? A horny man (and from what I read, a horny woman also) can project sexual imagery over even the most mundane objects and movements. A piston in an engine? A pressure valve in a hydraulic system? I'm being a bit absurd, but humans are quite good at pattern matching in strange situations. If someone can figure out how to provide sexual stimulation without being considered pornographic, this could be ... I cannot think of an expression which would not be gratuitously sexual. It would be a big deal. Nope, that was a bit sexual. But you get the idea.

themodelplumber 5y ago
Yeah. It's really subjective and intuitive, it requires suspension of disbelief, maybe pants also, but the cultural progression is so clear, I mean just when you get done casting a rather masculine form of effeminate space hero to wide acclaim--OK you threw in a kitty cat, but still--you start to get feedback from keyed-up audience members to show more of the android, too. Or IDK, those aliens themselves looking kind of interesting. And spaceships, we are starting to worry ourselves now because are these metaphors really us, or what is reality, it's all kind of uncomfortable because I know what is real...and here is where interesting thought models go to die, this R-word. The word that makes us take ourselves so seriously that the S-word is thought of as a mockery of our R-word, because in R-life, the S-word is only transacted in weaker moments or whatever. The most interesting model for this to me is simply sensory variety and juxtaposition with developmental implications. E.g. once you find this place of security, you want more, but _different_ more. Maybe you're not ready to admit it, and what it looks like, or COULD look like, but I think an algorithm could easily blow past questions like this because who are you going to blame for these machinistic extrapolations which also beckon waves of deep pleasure. Something like that could totally leapfrog those questions, similar to the way Kurgesagt recently and cleanly leapfrogged my valued position as the family science teacher. Was it Kurgesagt, or was it Youtube? The internet? Who causes what? Well, here we are, anyway. I think maybe even the topic of sexuality could be leapfrogged, go away with a whimper but ideally it also brings the whimper forward and builds upon it, despite any groans from those disinclined few...and then gone, and here we are and why use that old word which is now a valued form of intrinsic energy available to humankind...another old word...
- blunte 5y ago
  Well, I feel somewhat infantile and not understanding many of these words, but still grasping the concept. I did get this: you want more, but _different_ more This is absolutely true. We thrive on new experiences; but not so new as they don't connect to our previous experiences. Also, the concept of sexuality being leapfrogged - it's perhaps only the relatively modern concept of sexuality that needs to be leapfrogged. Scrolling back a few thousand years (a blip in human history), it is debatable whether the concept of sexuality even existed.