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I'm assuming you're talking broadly about social justice types. I don't want to put words on anyone's mouth, but it seems to me there is some extreme group that

I'm assuming you're talking broadly about social justice types. I don't want to put words on anyone's mouth, but it seems to me there is some extreme group that is basically pranking everyone, intentionally escalating how silly their demands are, and people are to scared to push back, so they keep trying more outrageous things. There was a South Park about it over 20 years ago (you may remember Lemmywinks) I don't know what to do about it, but at the personal level you can just ignore it.

josephcsible 5y ago
> at the personal level you can just ignore it But ignoring it gets you canceled.
- oyashirochama 5y ago
  Imagine caring, and keeping a link to your real life and online personas enough to cause real life consequences.
  - type0 5y ago
    you should listen to this song by John Lennon called "Imagine": > Imagine all the people > Living life in peace...
- Jensson 5y ago
  That is what they want to believe, but it is mostly not true. Even at Google they made it look like it was the case, I worked there during the Damore debacle. But tons of Engineers went against the grain and weren't cancelled, instead after that I noticed that Google started cracking down on the worst SJW types at Google and firing them. It didn't benefit Google to have these SJW types running the show when by far the most common view at the company was pro meritocracy, SJW makes a lot of noise making it seem like they have a lot of power but they only have that power if leaders believe SJW have power. When leaders calls the bluff nothing happens, the company doesn't get attacked etc, things just peter out.
  - donw 5y ago
    Unacceptable. Once you've run a highly public witch-burning and realized that was a Rather Bad Idea, you need to do better than quietly sweep up the ashes afterwards.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      You see articles about Google firing SJW people them now and then, but people forget those since few cares. Each time a heated discussion is created here at HN, with lots of posters condemning Google for it, but those posters doesn't seem to represent the wider views of engineers or even HN.
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      “you need to do better” that’s kind of the motto of the SJW, my interpretation of the parent is that they actually don’t have to do better, there are no consequences for ignoring such demands
      - version_five 5y ago
        That got modded down fast. I agree completely with this comment. Trying to direct internet rage against anyone is a losing formula, it only creates the fear and race to the bottom that we're seeing. Live and let live, if you dont like something, say so, or ignore it, but dont try to whip the world into a frenzy about it. (Lol and my comment was modded down as quickly as I could submit it, keep refreshing buddy you dont want to miss anything)
      - donw 5y ago
        It's a good motto. As is "do the work".
- lmm 5y ago
  In a tiny handful of high-profile cases yes. Realistically it's a lot less likely than e.g. getting randomly hit by a car, and so we shouldn't let it change our behaviour.
- treeman79 5y ago
  Pronoun battle forces you to participate. Source, lost a job because I tried to stay out of it.
  - da_big_ghey 5y ago
    I am so sorry on your behalf, this is terrible that you lose a job for it. Yes, and you are correct, if somebody tell you to use a plural pronoun it if forcing everybody to take a side. It is putting everybody in some position to either endorse or reject woke post-gender ideas.
undoware 5y ago
dude, we're right here. We see you, and I hope by saying the word 'transphobia' here I can decrement your career. If it costs me a portion of mine, it's well-spent.

josephcsible 5y ago

> at the personal level you can just ignore it But ignoring it gets you canceled.

oyashirochama 5y ago
Imagine caring, and keeping a link to your real life and online personas enough to cause real life consequences.
- type0 5y ago
  you should listen to this song by John Lennon called "Imagine": > Imagine all the people > Living life in peace...
Jensson 5y ago
That is what they want to believe, but it is mostly not true. Even at Google they made it look like it was the case, I worked there during the Damore debacle. But tons of Engineers went against the grain and weren't cancelled, instead after that I noticed that Google started cracking down on the worst SJW types at Google and firing them. It didn't benefit Google to have these SJW types running the show when by far the most common view at the company was pro meritocracy, SJW makes a lot of noise making it seem like they have a lot of power but they only have that power if leaders believe SJW have power. When leaders calls the bluff nothing happens, the company doesn't get attacked etc, things just peter out.
- donw 5y ago
  Unacceptable. Once you've run a highly public witch-burning and realized that was a Rather Bad Idea, you need to do better than quietly sweep up the ashes afterwards.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    You see articles about Google firing SJW people them now and then, but people forget those since few cares. Each time a heated discussion is created here at HN, with lots of posters condemning Google for it, but those posters doesn't seem to represent the wider views of engineers or even HN.
  - jazzyjackson 5y ago
    “you need to do better” that’s kind of the motto of the SJW, my interpretation of the parent is that they actually don’t have to do better, there are no consequences for ignoring such demands
    - version_five 5y ago
      That got modded down fast. I agree completely with this comment. Trying to direct internet rage against anyone is a losing formula, it only creates the fear and race to the bottom that we're seeing. Live and let live, if you dont like something, say so, or ignore it, but dont try to whip the world into a frenzy about it. (Lol and my comment was modded down as quickly as I could submit it, keep refreshing buddy you dont want to miss anything)
    - donw 5y ago
      It's a good motto. As is "do the work".
lmm 5y ago
In a tiny handful of high-profile cases yes. Realistically it's a lot less likely than e.g. getting randomly hit by a car, and so we shouldn't let it change our behaviour.
treeman79 5y ago
Pronoun battle forces you to participate. Source, lost a job because I tried to stay out of it.
- da_big_ghey 5y ago
  I am so sorry on your behalf, this is terrible that you lose a job for it. Yes, and you are correct, if somebody tell you to use a plural pronoun it if forcing everybody to take a side. It is putting everybody in some position to either endorse or reject woke post-gender ideas.

undoware 5y ago

dude, we're right here. We see you, and I hope by saying the word 'transphobia' here I can decrement your career. If it costs me a portion of mine, it's well-spent.