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> A professor at a University of California medical school was recently recorded apologising in an endocrinology lecture for using the term ‘pregnant women’. U

by type0 5y ago

> A professor at a University of California medical school was recently recorded apologising in an endocrinology lecture for using the term ‘pregnant women’. Utterly horrific, why did he apologize? edit: ok, I found some explanations here https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/med-schools-are-now-denying-biological https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/med-schools-are-now-denying... ; only makes the matter worse

da_big_ghey 5y ago
Every year i think these people found now the greatest level of stuipid, then they create a new level in the next one... i am wondering with trepidation what they are deciding next. Always it start in the university then filter out to other places, makes me very scared for the next some years when this comes to real life.
- version_five 5y ago
  I'm assuming you're talking broadly about social justice types. I don't want to put words on anyone's mouth, but it seems to me there is some extreme group that is basically pranking everyone, intentionally escalating how silly their demands are, and people are to scared to push back, so they keep trying more outrageous things. There was a South Park about it over 20 years ago (you may remember Lemmywinks) I don't know what to do about it, but at the personal level you can just ignore it.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > at the personal level you can just ignore it But ignoring it gets you canceled.
    - oyashirochama 5y ago
      Imagine caring, and keeping a link to your real life and online personas enough to cause real life consequences.
      - type0 5y ago
        you should listen to this song by John Lennon called "Imagine": > Imagine all the people > Living life in peace...
    - Jensson 5y ago
      That is what they want to believe, but it is mostly not true. Even at Google they made it look like it was the case, I worked there during the Damore debacle. But tons of Engineers went against the grain and weren't cancelled, instead after that I noticed that Google started cracking down on the worst SJW types at Google and firing them. It didn't benefit Google to have these SJW types running the show when by far the most common view at the company was pro meritocracy, SJW makes a lot of noise making it seem like they have a lot of power but they only have that power if leaders believe SJW have power. When leaders calls the bluff nothing happens, the company doesn't get attacked etc, things just peter out.
      - donw 5y ago
        Unacceptable. Once you've run a highly public witch-burning and realized that was a Rather Bad Idea, you need to do better than quietly sweep up the ashes afterwards.
        Jensson 5y ago
        You see articles about Google firing SJW people them now and then, but people forget those since few cares. Each time a heated discussion is created here at HN, with lots of posters condemning Google for it, but those posters doesn't seem to represent the wider views of engineers or even HN.
        jazzyjackson 5y ago
        “you need to do better” that’s kind of the motto of the SJW, my interpretation of the parent is that they actually don’t have to do better, there are no consequences for ignoring such demands
        version_five 5y ago
        That got modded down fast. I agree completely with this comment. Trying to direct internet rage against anyone is a losing formula, it only creates the fear and race to the bottom that we're seeing. Live and let live, if you dont like something, say so, or ignore it, but dont try to whip the world into a frenzy about it. (Lol and my comment was modded down as quickly as I could submit it, keep refreshing buddy you dont want to miss anything)
    - lmm 5y ago
      In a tiny handful of high-profile cases yes. Realistically it's a lot less likely than e.g. getting randomly hit by a car, and so we shouldn't let it change our behaviour.
    - treeman79 5y ago
      Pronoun battle forces you to participate. Source, lost a job because I tried to stay out of it.
      - da_big_ghey 5y ago
        I am so sorry on your behalf, this is terrible that you lose a job for it. Yes, and you are correct, if somebody tell you to use a plural pronoun it if forcing everybody to take a side. It is putting everybody in some position to either endorse or reject woke post-gender ideas.
  - undoware 5y ago
    dude, we're right here. We see you, and I hope by saying the word 'transphobia' here I can decrement your career. If it costs me a portion of mine, it's well-spent.
- screye 5y ago
  Not sure why you're downvoted. The comment is obviously angry. But, at this point you can write a book about the "greatest levels of stupid that started in university". Across all movements and institutions, a small minority of radicals ruin it for the entire community. For some reason, Academia loves to act as if their radicals are not representative of the institution, while using the same guilt-by-association to criticize and often ostracize every other group that crosses them the wrong way. The exasperation in the tone of the above poster, is IMO, fully justified. Alarmism is always looked at badly, but alarms exist for a reason. Sometimes things are that bad and an alarmist response is commensurate. I think it is one of those times. Ofc, like every other precursor to disaster, these alarmists will be ignored. Then in a few decades time, someone will say, "How did we not see it coming?", and a few of us will roll in graves rather vigorously. > makes me very scared for the next some years when this comes to real life Me too mate. Me too.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    It wont come to real life though. If one company fires tons of great engineers for SJW reasons then other companies will thank them and hire all of them instantly. And if the SJW types would infiltrate all the big companies at once those Engineers would just create a new company where they make the rules.
    - userbinator 5y ago
      I think the SJWs have already infiltrated all the big software companies, if the trend in quality of the latters' output is any indication. Inconsistent UI? Bugs (sometimes catastrophic) everywhere? They're just being diverse and inclusive! </s>
      - Jensson 5y ago
        > Inconsistent UI? Bugs (sometimes catastrophic) everywhere? Can you name a time when big companies didn't have those problems? To me the problem seems to be related to being big, not SJW.
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techdragon 5y ago
This horrified me. Medicine is the only place biological sex really maters. It’s our current understanding of the biological mechanisms of human sexual characteristics that enables the very treatments transgender individuals have today! I’m supportive of all the inclusive language stuff, we actually need more of this assertive “that is not appropriate” attitude out in the world beyond university campuses to push back against socially accepted sexism and racism. However the phrase “biological sex” must be defended, the fact we have two primary (I’m aware there are more) chromosomal types XX and XY and these drive huge swaths of human biology both sexual and otherwise is critically important. Medicine is rooted in our fundamental biology, including countless aspects affected by our genetics and basic sexual development, and denial of any of these things brings only ignorance and lower quality healthcare. I’m still struggling to understand how this has gotten as far as the stories that article is telling. I just I don’t know how to express how furious and saddened the notion of people acting this way makes me.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Society gets to live with the monster that it created. There are people who believe that a one-mother-and-one-father family structure matters, and they were shouted down years ago and told they were bigots and that the slippery slope was an obvious fallacy.
- undoware 5y ago
  So, ok, without attempting to justify here, what's going on is that the word 'woman' (used in OP) and the word 'female' (used by you) are taken by some folks (an increasing tranche) to mean different things. Like, I would consider myself a woman, but not female. I'm not really interested in debating this; in my mouth, it's descriptive linguistics and anthropology, not an ontological claim. I do however agree that the obsession my fellow progressives have with terminology belies a deeper fecklessness. Ultimately, it's a form of procrastination that distracts from deeper cultural transformation. I would that we evaluate every speaker by the measure of their empathy. When I was a PhD student in philosophy, we called this the 'principle of charity', and, like climate change, I feel its progressive loss with a deep sense of dread. An ability to put oneself in the shoes of a very-different other is the hallmark of a wise person, and wisdom is retreating faster than glaciers.

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da_big_ghey 5y ago

Every year i think these people found now the greatest level of stuipid, then they create a new level in the next one... i am wondering with trepidation what they are deciding next. Always it start in the university then filter out to other places, makes me very scared for the next some years when this comes to real life.

version_five 5y ago
I'm assuming you're talking broadly about social justice types. I don't want to put words on anyone's mouth, but it seems to me there is some extreme group that is basically pranking everyone, intentionally escalating how silly their demands are, and people are to scared to push back, so they keep trying more outrageous things. There was a South Park about it over 20 years ago (you may remember Lemmywinks) I don't know what to do about it, but at the personal level you can just ignore it.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > at the personal level you can just ignore it But ignoring it gets you canceled.
  - oyashirochama 5y ago
    Imagine caring, and keeping a link to your real life and online personas enough to cause real life consequences.
    - type0 5y ago
      you should listen to this song by John Lennon called "Imagine": > Imagine all the people > Living life in peace...
  - Jensson 5y ago
    That is what they want to believe, but it is mostly not true. Even at Google they made it look like it was the case, I worked there during the Damore debacle. But tons of Engineers went against the grain and weren't cancelled, instead after that I noticed that Google started cracking down on the worst SJW types at Google and firing them. It didn't benefit Google to have these SJW types running the show when by far the most common view at the company was pro meritocracy, SJW makes a lot of noise making it seem like they have a lot of power but they only have that power if leaders believe SJW have power. When leaders calls the bluff nothing happens, the company doesn't get attacked etc, things just peter out.
    - donw 5y ago
      Unacceptable. Once you've run a highly public witch-burning and realized that was a Rather Bad Idea, you need to do better than quietly sweep up the ashes afterwards.
      - Jensson 5y ago
        You see articles about Google firing SJW people them now and then, but people forget those since few cares. Each time a heated discussion is created here at HN, with lots of posters condemning Google for it, but those posters doesn't seem to represent the wider views of engineers or even HN.
      - jazzyjackson 5y ago
        “you need to do better” that’s kind of the motto of the SJW, my interpretation of the parent is that they actually don’t have to do better, there are no consequences for ignoring such demands
        version_five 5y ago
        That got modded down fast. I agree completely with this comment. Trying to direct internet rage against anyone is a losing formula, it only creates the fear and race to the bottom that we're seeing. Live and let live, if you dont like something, say so, or ignore it, but dont try to whip the world into a frenzy about it. (Lol and my comment was modded down as quickly as I could submit it, keep refreshing buddy you dont want to miss anything)
  - lmm 5y ago
    In a tiny handful of high-profile cases yes. Realistically it's a lot less likely than e.g. getting randomly hit by a car, and so we shouldn't let it change our behaviour.
  - treeman79 5y ago
    Pronoun battle forces you to participate. Source, lost a job because I tried to stay out of it.
    - da_big_ghey 5y ago
      I am so sorry on your behalf, this is terrible that you lose a job for it. Yes, and you are correct, if somebody tell you to use a plural pronoun it if forcing everybody to take a side. It is putting everybody in some position to either endorse or reject woke post-gender ideas.
- undoware 5y ago
  dude, we're right here. We see you, and I hope by saying the word 'transphobia' here I can decrement your career. If it costs me a portion of mine, it's well-spent.
screye 5y ago
Not sure why you're downvoted. The comment is obviously angry. But, at this point you can write a book about the "greatest levels of stupid that started in university". Across all movements and institutions, a small minority of radicals ruin it for the entire community. For some reason, Academia loves to act as if their radicals are not representative of the institution, while using the same guilt-by-association to criticize and often ostracize every other group that crosses them the wrong way. The exasperation in the tone of the above poster, is IMO, fully justified. Alarmism is always looked at badly, but alarms exist for a reason. Sometimes things are that bad and an alarmist response is commensurate. I think it is one of those times. Ofc, like every other precursor to disaster, these alarmists will be ignored. Then in a few decades time, someone will say, "How did we not see it coming?", and a few of us will roll in graves rather vigorously. > makes me very scared for the next some years when this comes to real life Me too mate. Me too.
- Jensson 5y ago
  It wont come to real life though. If one company fires tons of great engineers for SJW reasons then other companies will thank them and hire all of them instantly. And if the SJW types would infiltrate all the big companies at once those Engineers would just create a new company where they make the rules.
  - userbinator 5y ago
    I think the SJWs have already infiltrated all the big software companies, if the trend in quality of the latters' output is any indication. Inconsistent UI? Bugs (sometimes catastrophic) everywhere? They're just being diverse and inclusive! </s>
    - Jensson 5y ago
      > Inconsistent UI? Bugs (sometimes catastrophic) everywhere? Can you name a time when big companies didn't have those problems? To me the problem seems to be related to being big, not SJW.

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techdragon 5y ago

This horrified me. Medicine is the only place biological sex really maters. It’s our current understanding of the biological mechanisms of human sexual characteristics that enables the very treatments transgender individuals have today! I’m supportive of all the inclusive language stuff, we actually need more of this assertive “that is not appropriate” attitude out in the world beyond university campuses to push back against socially accepted sexism and racism. However the phrase “biological sex” must be defended, the fact we have two primary (I’m aware there are more) chromosomal types XX and XY and these drive huge swaths of human biology both sexual and otherwise is critically important. Medicine is rooted in our fundamental biology, including countless aspects affected by our genetics and basic sexual development, and denial of any of these things brings only ignorance and lower quality healthcare. I’m still struggling to understand how this has gotten as far as the stories that article is telling. I just I don’t know how to express how furious and saddened the notion of people acting this way makes me.

mbg721 5y ago
Society gets to live with the monster that it created. There are people who believe that a one-mother-and-one-father family structure matters, and they were shouted down years ago and told they were bigots and that the slippery slope was an obvious fallacy.
undoware 5y ago
So, ok, without attempting to justify here, what's going on is that the word 'woman' (used in OP) and the word 'female' (used by you) are taken by some folks (an increasing tranche) to mean different things. Like, I would consider myself a woman, but not female. I'm not really interested in debating this; in my mouth, it's descriptive linguistics and anthropology, not an ontological claim. I do however agree that the obsession my fellow progressives have with terminology belies a deeper fecklessness. Ultimately, it's a form of procrastination that distracts from deeper cultural transformation. I would that we evaluate every speaker by the measure of their empathy. When I was a PhD student in philosophy, we called this the 'principle of charity', and, like climate change, I feel its progressive loss with a deep sense of dread. An ability to put oneself in the shoes of a very-different other is the hallmark of a wise person, and wisdom is retreating faster than glaciers.