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Yeah, banning people from participating in basic society unless they take the medical procedure you want them to is totally not coercion in any way...

barbazoo 5y ago
What kind of vaccine mandate are you talking about? In my province, there are only a few non-essential activities that require vaccination. I wouldn't call this "banning from basic society", at least not in our case. But your experience might be different.
- HelixEndeavor 5y ago
  In America, President Joe Biden is attempting to use OSHA to enforce vaccines upon all businesses in the nation, so that those who either cannot or refuse to take the vaccine will be fired. This is highly unconstitutional on many levels, and will likely be dismissed by the Supreme Court, but the fact that it's even being considered by the administration as an option is disturbing. Other nations such as France and Australia are locking people in their homes and preventing them from traveling or performing basic essentials activities like grocery shopping without proof of vaccination.
  - barbazoo 5y ago
    I don't think that's accurate at all. According to [0]: > Federal employees, federal contractors and health-care workers at facilities that receive federal funding must show proof of vaccination, with no testing option. > 80 million U.S. workers will have a choice between providing proof of vaccination or submitting to weekly Covid testing. Your examples of France and Australia are also not accurate. According to [1] > There may be circumstances in the future in which proof of vaccination will be required, such as border or re-entry requirements, or continued employment in particular areas. One example of this is the mandatory vaccination requirements for all residential aged care workers which will come into effect on 17 September 2021 in line with relevant state and territory directions. For France there is no mandate like you described [2]. No one is keeping anyone from doing essential things like grocery shopping, I don't know where you got that from but I suggest you do some research. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-president-joe-bidens-new-vaccine-mandates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-... [1] https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-are-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-in-australia https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-... [2] https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210930-health-pass-becomes-mandatory-for-french-teens-from-30-september https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210930-health-pass-becomes-ma...
    - HelixEndeavor 5y ago
      I suggest you do some research as well. Joe Biden literally announced recently his plans to use OSHA to enforce vaccine mandates on any private business in America with over 100 employees. Now, chances are it won't hold up in court at all, but it's still there, it's still being attempted: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-henry-mcmaster-f33acd986ad5045e48088a832c6f9903 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronav... In Australia elderly and children are being tackled and pepper-sprayed by police for not wearing masks. They're returning to their prison colony past. Don't even try to pretend what they're doing is a remotely acceptable way to treat human beings. The vaccine passport you describe in your attempt to "debunk" me still sounds harshly authoritarian, do you think you're quelling anyone's fears by describing how proof of vaccination will be required to participate in basic society?

barbazoo 5y ago

What kind of vaccine mandate are you talking about? In my province, there are only a few non-essential activities that require vaccination. I wouldn't call this "banning from basic society", at least not in our case. But your experience might be different.

HelixEndeavor 5y ago
In America, President Joe Biden is attempting to use OSHA to enforce vaccines upon all businesses in the nation, so that those who either cannot or refuse to take the vaccine will be fired. This is highly unconstitutional on many levels, and will likely be dismissed by the Supreme Court, but the fact that it's even being considered by the administration as an option is disturbing. Other nations such as France and Australia are locking people in their homes and preventing them from traveling or performing basic essentials activities like grocery shopping without proof of vaccination.
- barbazoo 5y ago
  I don't think that's accurate at all. According to [0]: > Federal employees, federal contractors and health-care workers at facilities that receive federal funding must show proof of vaccination, with no testing option. > 80 million U.S. workers will have a choice between providing proof of vaccination or submitting to weekly Covid testing. Your examples of France and Australia are also not accurate. According to [1] > There may be circumstances in the future in which proof of vaccination will be required, such as border or re-entry requirements, or continued employment in particular areas. One example of this is the mandatory vaccination requirements for all residential aged care workers which will come into effect on 17 September 2021 in line with relevant state and territory directions. For France there is no mandate like you described [2]. No one is keeping anyone from doing essential things like grocery shopping, I don't know where you got that from but I suggest you do some research. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-president-joe-bidens-new-vaccine-mandates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-... [1] https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-are-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-in-australia https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-... [2] https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210930-health-pass-becomes-mandatory-for-french-teens-from-30-september https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210930-health-pass-becomes-ma...
  - HelixEndeavor 5y ago
    I suggest you do some research as well. Joe Biden literally announced recently his plans to use OSHA to enforce vaccine mandates on any private business in America with over 100 employees. Now, chances are it won't hold up in court at all, but it's still there, it's still being attempted: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-henry-mcmaster-f33acd986ad5045e48088a832c6f9903 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronav... In Australia elderly and children are being tackled and pepper-sprayed by police for not wearing masks. They're returning to their prison colony past. Don't even try to pretend what they're doing is a remotely acceptable way to treat human beings. The vaccine passport you describe in your attempt to "debunk" me still sounds harshly authoritarian, do you think you're quelling anyone's fears by describing how proof of vaccination will be required to participate in basic society?