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But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagin

by blunte 5y ago

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

bdcravens 5y ago
North Korea has done it, and I assume many others have but have the resources to seem more convincing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17867174 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17867174 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/north-korea-releases-footage-icbm-launch-fake-191257 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/north-korea-re...
- knownjorbist 5y ago
  The hilariously fake Iranian Qaher F-313: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-became-irans-qaher-f-313-fake-stealth-fighter-79096 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-became-irans-qah...
SonicScrub 5y ago
Reminds me of The Ghost Army in the lead up before D-Day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army
- interestica 5y ago
  Reminds me of Dummy Tanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank "In one operation in September 1944, the British deployed 148 inflatable tanks close to the front line and around half were "destroyed" by fragments from German mortar and artillery fire, and by Allied bombs falling short."
RantyDave 5y ago
Comical speculation? Pretend weapons were invented in the Second World War (and probably prior). I agree, it would cost fuck all and be a right laugh. Next week they're going to do the Millennium Falcon.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  This is most definitely "leaked footage " of a prop.
avs733 5y ago
I mean...night time exists and is useful. If they are moving it during the day I cannot imagine they really care all that much. Add in that a significant portion of the structures that affect radar cross section are 'subsurface'
r3trohack3r 5y ago
Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you.
- bredren 5y ago
  This presumes stealth tech is the goal, rather than a higher order tech that makes results of the research-triggering feint strategically immaterial. For example, I suspect Apple feinted Amazon into chasing voice assistant tech and products, distracting Amazon from more serious matters like ARM-based SoC and AR.
- mike_d 5y ago
  > Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with What you are "tricking" them is that you are flying over their airspace and they can't do anything about it. Secret projects are kept indoors longer, testing schedules are delayed, effort is put into hairbrained stealth detection tech, etc.
- z3ncyberpunk 5y ago
  It's like you're an entire comment forgot the Cold war existed, we're both sides extensively studied ESP and psychic abilities and repeatedly tried to out bluff each other with various technologies.
- im3w1l 5y ago
  > Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you. You are tricking them into thinking money spent on stealth is a better gamble than it is (but being a gamble, it might still pay off). That siphons money from other projects.

by blunte 5y ago

bdcravens 5y ago

North Korea has done it, and I assume many others have but have the resources to seem more convincing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17867174 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17867174 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/north-korea-releases-footage-icbm-launch-fake-191257 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/north-korea-re...

knownjorbist 5y ago
The hilariously fake Iranian Qaher F-313: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-became-irans-qaher-f-313-fake-stealth-fighter-79096 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-became-irans-qah...

SonicScrub 5y ago

Reminds me of The Ghost Army in the lead up before D-Day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army

interestica 5y ago
Reminds me of Dummy Tanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_tank "In one operation in September 1944, the British deployed 148 inflatable tanks close to the front line and around half were "destroyed" by fragments from German mortar and artillery fire, and by Allied bombs falling short."

RantyDave 5y ago

Comical speculation? Pretend weapons were invented in the Second World War (and probably prior). I agree, it would cost fuck all and be a right laugh. Next week they're going to do the Millennium Falcon.

TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
This is most definitely "leaked footage " of a prop.

avs733 5y ago

I mean...night time exists and is useful. If they are moving it during the day I cannot imagine they really care all that much. Add in that a significant portion of the structures that affect radar cross section are 'subsurface'

r3trohack3r 5y ago

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you.

bredren 5y ago
This presumes stealth tech is the goal, rather than a higher order tech that makes results of the research-triggering feint strategically immaterial. For example, I suspect Apple feinted Amazon into chasing voice assistant tech and products, distracting Amazon from more serious matters like ARM-based SoC and AR.
mike_d 5y ago
> Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with What you are "tricking" them is that you are flying over their airspace and they can't do anything about it. Secret projects are kept indoors longer, testing schedules are delayed, effort is put into hairbrained stealth detection tech, etc.
z3ncyberpunk 5y ago
It's like you're an entire comment forgot the Cold war existed, we're both sides extensively studied ESP and psychic abilities and repeatedly tried to out bluff each other with various technologies.
im3w1l 5y ago
> Pretending your stealth tech is better than it is… Is tricking your adversary into trying to be competitive with stealth tech you yourself aren’t competitive with. That’s a…questionable move. You might trick your adversary into developing better stealth tech than you. You are tricking them into thinking money spent on stealth is a better gamble than it is (but being a gamble, it might still pay off). That siphons money from other projects.