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I wish that companies who do such kind of "beta testing" on public roads would put indicators on cars that the car is running FSD Beta. That way, I know that I

by gadnuk 5y ago

I wish that companies who do such kind of "beta testing" on public roads would put indicators on cars that the car is running FSD Beta. That way, I know that I should also be extra cautious as the Tesla car is capable of doing some weird moves If you want to train your ‘beta’ neural network because it isn’t ready yet, use a fucking lab. I, as a non-Tesla car driver, did not sign up to be around cars that are using buggy and potentially dangerous technology. I have no idea why the NHSTA isn't clamping down hard on this. Yes, I know I will get downvoted by Tesla apologists. I have nothing against making strides in technology, but a technology like this which is nowhere near Level 4 FSD, let alone Level 5, should not be distributed so widely without it being regulated and deemed safe for ALL drivers on the road (and pedestrians, animals, properties, etc).

heavyset_go 5y ago
> I wish that companies who do such kind of "beta testing" on public roads would put indicators on cars that the car is running FSD Beta. That way, I know that I should also be extra cautious as the Tesla car is capable of doing some weird moves I agree, this is the very least they should be doing if they're determined to unleash a beta product that can kill people onto the non-consenting public. My solution in the meantime is to treat every Tesla driver I encounter on the road as if they're drunk. Whenever there's a problem with FSD, Tesla is quick to point out that "it's only a beta" as if it's only the car owner's concern and responsibility for choosing to opt-in to a beta test. As someone who has to share the road with beta testers and beta products, I never got to opt in or out to being tested on like a guinea pig. Truthfully, it should be illegal for companies to externalize their own beta testing on to the public when it comes to products that can kill and maim. It blows my mind because driving itself is highly regulated as it is, yet this is given a pass by regulators.
aeternum 5y ago
Do you also put a bumper-sticker on your car to warn other drivers when you didn't get a good night's sleep, when you're on the phone, when you've had a stressful day?
- pengaru 5y ago
  STUDENT DRIVER
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  We, as humans, understand, perceive, predict, and know how to react to human errors much better than to AI errors. FSD in its current state is unpredictable by human drivers. It makes mistakes no human would make. Defensive driving is all about thinking ahead about what might happen and be ready to react appropriately. We cannot think ahead when it comes to FSD, because it does things humans just don't and no one is trained to predict.
gremloni 5y ago
Use a “lab” so progress can literally come to a standstill for decades. We take all kinds of risks just getting into a car, we can except some further risk so things pan out for the long term.

by gadnuk 5y ago

heavyset_go 5y ago

> I wish that companies who do such kind of "beta testing" on public roads would put indicators on cars that the car is running FSD Beta. That way, I know that I should also be extra cautious as the Tesla car is capable of doing some weird moves I agree, this is the very least they should be doing if they're determined to unleash a beta product that can kill people onto the non-consenting public. My solution in the meantime is to treat every Tesla driver I encounter on the road as if they're drunk. Whenever there's a problem with FSD, Tesla is quick to point out that "it's only a beta" as if it's only the car owner's concern and responsibility for choosing to opt-in to a beta test. As someone who has to share the road with beta testers and beta products, I never got to opt in or out to being tested on like a guinea pig. Truthfully, it should be illegal for companies to externalize their own beta testing on to the public when it comes to products that can kill and maim. It blows my mind because driving itself is highly regulated as it is, yet this is given a pass by regulators.

aeternum 5y ago

Do you also put a bumper-sticker on your car to warn other drivers when you didn't get a good night's sleep, when you're on the phone, when you've had a stressful day?

pengaru 5y ago
STUDENT DRIVER
smnrchrds 5y ago
We, as humans, understand, perceive, predict, and know how to react to human errors much better than to AI errors. FSD in its current state is unpredictable by human drivers. It makes mistakes no human would make. Defensive driving is all about thinking ahead about what might happen and be ready to react appropriately. We cannot think ahead when it comes to FSD, because it does things humans just don't and no one is trained to predict.

gremloni 5y ago

Use a “lab” so progress can literally come to a standstill for decades. We take all kinds of risks just getting into a car, we can except some further risk so things pan out for the long term.