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I think there is some selection bias in this. And I say this as someone who has recently quit working at Amazon (after many years there). People who get fired
by mabbo 5y ago
I think there is some selection bias in this. And I say this as someone who has recently quit working at Amazon (after many years there).
People who get fired are far more likely to leave reviews on blind. And the whole performance improvement plan process that proceeds being fired takes place between the employee and the SDM.
It may be the case that their org leadership told the SDM to cut their lowest ranked person to make the org's "Unregretted Rate of Attrition" quota for the year. From the employees point of view, this was purely some kind of malicious move by a terrible SDM. In reality, it's an SDM who wants to keep their job in a sociopathic system that enforces minimum rates of firing people to "keep the bar high".
Salaries are rising for engineers across the industry, in part because of the 'great resignation' going on. Make no mistake: Amazon would not raise salaries because of angry reviews on Blind. They would only raise wages if they saw too many people choosing to quit or not accept job offers in favour of other companies. Probably entirely based on a formula that used those numbers as inputs.
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- rewma 5y ago> People who get fired are far more likely to leave reviews on blind. It is said that the average tenure at Amazon is two years. By your measuring stick, a company that is a revolving door does have the nasty tendency to leave a lot of its employees with plenty of reasons to complain.
- ctvo 5y agoThere's nothing extraordinary about Amazon having a 2 year tenure average. Here's a somewhat dated (I'd guess it's gotten even shorter since) article from 2018 listing many more company tenures: https://www.inc.com/business-insider/tech-companies-employee-turnover-average-tenure-silicon-valley.html https://www.inc.com/business-insider/tech-companies-employee... There are many known companies with ~2 years give or take.
- Plasmoid 5y agoThose lists tend to compute how long has the current employee worked here, instead of how many years of work do leaving employees have? The list shows that older companies have significantly longer tenure numbers.
- throwawaybb1234 5y agoAmazonian blue badge here. Throwaway for the obvious reasons. Last year my two pizza team saw close to half our team members leaving, some with what I call mob-style coerced goodbyes during a daily and some because they were fed up with the absurd working conditions caused largely by the senior manager's career-building goals and his "wins are due to me and losses are due to my stupid minions who need to be fired" mentality. An internal tool that tracks tenure says I'm already in here longer than 60 or 70% of the whole company, and I've just been here for about 2 years. I came up with a little game I play with the source code repo that I call Monte Carlo phonebook, where I check if a commit was made by anyone still within the company, and more often than not the answer is no No other tech company I've been in worked like this. At all.
- ctvo 5y agoDon't doubt it. It sounds horrific, and I hope you land elsewhere. Your tenure of ~2 years give or take is very close to Facebook's ~2.5 years average. I'll only compare Amazon to Facebook in this case because both are known to have engineering teams / cultures that can be very results driven all else be damned.