This is whataboutism. "The US does bad thing x, therefore you can't complain about China doing bad thing y." Not valid. Moreover, IP theft is not remotely comp

This is whataboutism. "The US does bad thing x, therefore you can't complain about China doing bad thing y." Not valid. Moreover, IP theft is not remotely comparable to diplomacy or sanctions. The latter are normal ways of doing politics and negotiations. The former is theft, and is immoral under most moral systems (hopefully including the mainstream Chinese one itself). Category error. > It is pure politics and have little or no base in actual reality of the hardware made by the companies mentioned in the articles or Chinese behaviour towards Western businesses. Just less than a week ago, there was a frontpage HN post about how Xiaomi phones came with censorship code on them that enforced the CCP's policies[1]. That's the "reality of the hardware made by the companies mentioned in the articles". Moreover, the "Chinese behaviour towards Western businesses" is characterized by persistent IP theft. Remember Operation Aurora[2], where big names like Raytheon and Google, who has some of the best security in the world, got pwned? Or the aerospace companies that their intelligence agents tried to solicit secrets from[3]? Or the guy who helped the PLA to steal C-17-related material from Boeing[4]? Or when ARM China just "stole" ARM's IP just a month ago[5]? Or when Chinese firms cloned the designs of maglev trains when their European+Japanese developers tried to sell them in China[6]? Or you could look at this wikipedia page with more instances, including theft of nuclear technology[8]. This isn't new, either - they tried to clone a Boeing 707 all the way back in 1980[7], four decades ago. Moreover, you can't actually claim that this is US politics, because other countries are also reporting this happening to them[6][9][10], and because the US isn't going around and accusing every single country that stands to rival them economically (e.g. India) of IP theft. > I'm surprised HN seems to believe Meanwhile, you make baseless claims like "In reality the US have forced the hand of other countries through diplomacy, sanctions, war, etc. to a far higher degree than China" that are backed up by nothing whatsoever, and then drop emotionally-manipulative statements like the above, in lieu of providing a good supporting argument or avoiding using whataboutisms. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-says-throw-away-chinese-phones-due-censorship-concerns-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-say... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora [3] https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/article/21118569/how-china-stole-an-entire-airplane https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/article/21118569/ho... [4] https://www.osi.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/2350807/cyber-espionage-for-the-chinese-government/ https://www.osi.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/2350807... [5] https://semianalysis.substack.com/p/the-semiconductor-heist-of-the-century https://semianalysis.substack.com/p/the-semiconductor-heist-... [6] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704814204575507353221141616 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704814204575507... [7] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/05/09/china-said-to-clone-a-708-from-boeing-jet-it-brought/9561fa4e-cc69-48cd-9dad-24773cec3be2/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/05/09/c... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite... [9] https://www.ft.com/content/0d48a5dc-9362-11ea-899a-f62a20d54625 https://www.ft.com/content/0d48a5dc-9362-11ea-899a-f62a20d54... [10] https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/canada-alberta-province-orders-4-universities-to-suspend-partnerships-with-china-amid-ip-theft-concerns20210526214015/ https://www.aninews.in/news/world/europe/canada-alberta-prov...