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Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching. Why would anyone try to abuse someone of which they have next to zero info for no persona
by derekzhouzhen 5y ago
Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching. Why would anyone try to abuse someone of which they have next to zero info for no personal gain, and no one can witness your triumph anyway?
- ketzo 5y agoIs this a rhetorical question? Because people do that literally all the time. This is an extremely real problem.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoThere are genuinely mean people, and people financially or psychologically incentivized to be mean. Most, if not all, mean people I encountered in my life belong to the second group. Maybe you live a much more interesting life than mine. I dunno.
- npunt 5y agoDMs are a major abuse vector, and only the abuser and their victim see DMs. It doesn't sound like you've thought this one through.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI don't even support DM. Also anyone get only one chance to reply, unless the reply is approved.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoThen they'll make tons of accounts to create single comments harassing someone.
- npunt 5y agoSorry I wasn’t clear. I was replying to your assertion that ‘Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching’. DMs are an example of a major abuse vector where other people are not watching.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI understand. However, on my platform, there is no even username so it is very hard to follow people around. Also there is one reply per node limit and per user comment limit per day to cap the volume. Anyone must be able to take a small amount of abuse to survive this world. I can't eliminate abuse but I can increase the friction of abuse and make abuse less satisfying or rewarding. That's all I want to do.
- npunt 5y agoAh that makes more sense given the rules you're implementing. Agree friction is a good way to solve these kinds of issues.
- prawn 5y agoYou will get dominated by bot-generated spam at the very least. The bots don’t care that their content will be seen by one person, they just hammer every form they find, and the recipients will be overwhelmed having to delete this, and they will criticise your platform. As well as bots, you will get people manually hitting it. They’ll often use software customised to spam you. There is zero chance this model survives without any sort of moderation. (I’ve run a web forum for 18 or so years.)
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI am flattered. Let's say my platform somehow get popular, and bots is hitting it for no financial reason at all, they still get the one reply per node limit. Also I have a global per user replies limit per day. If you have an orchestrated army of bots hitting me, then I would get DDoS'ed, just like everyone else. However, that has nothing to do with content moderation at all, right?
- prawn 5y agoYou don't need to be popular or flattered. If you are linked from anywhere and in search engines, they will find you. And they will reply to every node they can. And they'll create new user accounts to submit more. I've gradually built my setup to filter based on words, URL fragments, block IPs, honeypots, shadowbanning, etc and they still get through. Take away all content moderation and I would be overrun to the point that my site was useless to my users. Those sort of methods are the easy bits too; dealing with greyarea trolls is the worst. Good luck. You'll find out.