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I think citizens of the most violent nation in recent history should do some introspection before projecting their misdeeds onto others..

by bllguo 5y ago

throwaway6734 5y ago
How recent is recent history?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  Clearly more recent than April 15th, 1989.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    or the on-going uyghur concentration camps
  - bllguo 5y ago
    Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, coup after coup in South America - you think Tiananmen was more reprehensible than any of these? I'll also remind you Tiananmen was internal, whereas all of our wars are just that - wars. Directed against other nations. edit: to clarify, I don't see how Tiananmen suggests China will go to war, but I do see how a sordid history of spurring violence across the globe suggests the US will go to war again.
- bllguo 5y ago
  at least a century?
evilos 5y ago
"What if X happens?" "Shut up, Y is bad." Uh.
- bllguo 5y ago
  Okay, then give me the reasons to believe in imminent Chinese military aggression. And why I should take the word of a nation that has been basically ceaselessly at war for decades, off the heels of yet another senseless conflict in Afghanistan. I think you are projecting the warlike tendencies of the US onto China.
  - coupdejarnac 5y ago
    Are you completely oblivious to China's provocations in the South China sea? I know how things are being spun back in China, but I assume you occasionally read non-CCP-approved news, right?
    - FpUser 5y ago
      >"but I assume you occasionally read non-CCP-approved news, right?" I assume your reading list is approved in Langley
  - evilos 5y ago
    That's not even what is being discussed. The question is: what is the proper response to a hyper aggressive China? No one is saying something like that is likely. We are discussing hypotheticals. There's no need to be so upset.
    - dotancohen 5y ago
      > what is the proper response to a hyper aggressive China? I believe that GP is trying to generalize that question to "what is the proper response to any hyper aggressive nation". And the fact that the answer to that question will have more profound effects on responses to the US than to China. In fact, I think that the question is valid. Limiting the discussion to China is blatant anti-Chinese propaganda. Broadening the discussion to "hyper aggressive nations" is fair and legitimate.
HyperRational 5y ago
April 15th, 1989
randomopining 5y ago
Nope. False premise. US is the best we have.

I think citizens of the most violent nation in recent history should do some introspection before projecting their misdeeds onto others..

by bllguo 5y ago

I think citizens of the most violent nation in recent history should do some introspection before projecting their misdeeds onto others..

throwaway6734 5y ago

How recent is recent history?

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Clearly more recent than April 15th, 1989.
- zeusk 5y ago
  or the on-going uyghur concentration camps
- bllguo 5y ago
  Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, coup after coup in South America - you think Tiananmen was more reprehensible than any of these? I'll also remind you Tiananmen was internal, whereas all of our wars are just that - wars. Directed against other nations. edit: to clarify, I don't see how Tiananmen suggests China will go to war, but I do see how a sordid history of spurring violence across the globe suggests the US will go to war again.
bllguo 5y ago
at least a century?

evilos 5y ago

"What if X happens?" "Shut up, Y is bad." Uh.

bllguo 5y ago
Okay, then give me the reasons to believe in imminent Chinese military aggression. And why I should take the word of a nation that has been basically ceaselessly at war for decades, off the heels of yet another senseless conflict in Afghanistan. I think you are projecting the warlike tendencies of the US onto China.
- coupdejarnac 5y ago
  Are you completely oblivious to China's provocations in the South China sea? I know how things are being spun back in China, but I assume you occasionally read non-CCP-approved news, right?
  - FpUser 5y ago
    >"but I assume you occasionally read non-CCP-approved news, right?" I assume your reading list is approved in Langley
- evilos 5y ago
  That's not even what is being discussed. The question is: what is the proper response to a hyper aggressive China? No one is saying something like that is likely. We are discussing hypotheticals. There's no need to be so upset.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    > what is the proper response to a hyper aggressive China? I believe that GP is trying to generalize that question to "what is the proper response to any hyper aggressive nation". And the fact that the answer to that question will have more profound effects on responses to the US than to China. In fact, I think that the question is valid. Limiting the discussion to China is blatant anti-Chinese propaganda. Broadening the discussion to "hyper aggressive nations" is fair and legitimate.

HyperRational 5y ago

April 15th, 1989

randomopining 5y ago

Nope. False premise. US is the best we have.