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Sorry, which ISO standard?

CalChris 5y ago
ISO 18013-5 mDL mobile driver’s license standard https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...
- judge2020 5y ago
  Would be nice if these standards were open. Can't audit it until it's introduced in iOS 15.x, I guess. Edit for reference: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:18013:-5:dis:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:18013:-5:dis:ed-...
  - skissane 5y ago
    Having a look at your link, I see section A.3.10 is proposing the use case "Vote or register to vote". Given how politically controversial the issue of voter ID is in some places (especially the US), I'm wondering if this this ISO standard is going to get mixed up in that political controversy.
    - dhritzkiv 5y ago
      Perhaps it's because it's only controversial to some, and only in the United States. And the fact that this "issue" is magnified by mass media. It honestly isn't that controversial of an idea: a document stating that you're already registered to vote. That's it. This is how it works in Canada: the address that Elections Canada has on hand for you (if any) is sent a flat piece of paper –not in an envelope either– that simply indicates that you're pre-registered to vote, and includes your home address, your polling location, and your poll number (which poll worker station you go to). The poll worker verifies your information with a second piece of information with your name + address: driver's license, passport, or piece of mail from a utility company, etc. Personally, it'd be nice if I could opt to not receive and to not have to carry a piece of paper in the mail, and it sounds like this ISO standard + implementation can achieve that. (I'm guessing – I can't actually access the document)
      - skissane 5y ago
        > Perhaps it's because it's only controversial to some, and only in the United States. Not only in the United States. See this article about proposals to introduce voter ID laws in Australia – https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/12/11/federal-voting-reforms/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics... – much like the US situation, the reforms are being proposed by the centre-right federal government, while the centre-left parties are opposed to it, as are progressive-leaning activist groups (such as the Human Rights Law Centre quoted in the article)
        simondotau 5y ago
        I can only speak for Australia, but this isn't an issue here. The article represents little more than a thought bubble that hasn't gone anywhere because it really is pointless. Proposals like that are never popular, have a near-zero chance of passing our parliament, and even if they did it wouldn't have the same election-swinging disproportionate effects as in the USA. In Australia we have compulsory voting. We have an extremely well run elections operated by a highly competent non-partisan commission. And there are exceedingly few citizens which don't have some form of ID, whether that's a driver license, a photo card (voluntary card for people who don't have a driver license) a public healthcare card, or an ID issued by the welfare system.
      - Talanes 5y ago
        >It honestly isn't that controversial of an idea: a document stating that you're already registered to vote. That's it. Personally my problem is that voting laws are handled at the Federal level down, but IDs are run by the States. I guess RealID is supposed to be sort of the solution to that issue, but the requirments for those are annoying to fulfill if you're not a utility-paying tenant.
        skissane 5y ago
        Coming from a country (Australia) where federal elections are 100% run by and under control of an (independent) federal agency – I wonder how much of the recent US controversies over voting are due to the fact that the implementation of federal elections is something under state (and often even local) control? Would a "federal takeover" improve things? Have the FEC (or maybe even a new successor agency) actually run presidential and congressional elections? Of course, I realise it is very unlikely that legislation for such a "federal takeover" would make it through Congress, and if they did, there is a high likelihood that SCOTUS (especially with their current majority) would strike it down as an unconstitutional encroachment on state's rights.

ISO 18013-5 mDL mobile driver’s license standard https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...

judge2020 5y ago
Would be nice if these standards were open. Can't audit it until it's introduced in iOS 15.x, I guess. Edit for reference: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:18013:-5:dis:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:18013:-5:dis:ed-...
- skissane 5y ago
  Having a look at your link, I see section A.3.10 is proposing the use case "Vote or register to vote". Given how politically controversial the issue of voter ID is in some places (especially the US), I'm wondering if this this ISO standard is going to get mixed up in that political controversy.
  - dhritzkiv 5y ago
    Perhaps it's because it's only controversial to some, and only in the United States. And the fact that this "issue" is magnified by mass media. It honestly isn't that controversial of an idea: a document stating that you're already registered to vote. That's it. This is how it works in Canada: the address that Elections Canada has on hand for you (if any) is sent a flat piece of paper –not in an envelope either– that simply indicates that you're pre-registered to vote, and includes your home address, your polling location, and your poll number (which poll worker station you go to). The poll worker verifies your information with a second piece of information with your name + address: driver's license, passport, or piece of mail from a utility company, etc. Personally, it'd be nice if I could opt to not receive and to not have to carry a piece of paper in the mail, and it sounds like this ISO standard + implementation can achieve that. (I'm guessing – I can't actually access the document)
    - skissane 5y ago
      > Perhaps it's because it's only controversial to some, and only in the United States. Not only in the United States. See this article about proposals to introduce voter ID laws in Australia – https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/12/11/federal-voting-reforms/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics... – much like the US situation, the reforms are being proposed by the centre-right federal government, while the centre-left parties are opposed to it, as are progressive-leaning activist groups (such as the Human Rights Law Centre quoted in the article)
      - simondotau 5y ago
        I can only speak for Australia, but this isn't an issue here. The article represents little more than a thought bubble that hasn't gone anywhere because it really is pointless. Proposals like that are never popular, have a near-zero chance of passing our parliament, and even if they did it wouldn't have the same election-swinging disproportionate effects as in the USA. In Australia we have compulsory voting. We have an extremely well run elections operated by a highly competent non-partisan commission. And there are exceedingly few citizens which don't have some form of ID, whether that's a driver license, a photo card (voluntary card for people who don't have a driver license) a public healthcare card, or an ID issued by the welfare system.
    - Talanes 5y ago
      >It honestly isn't that controversial of an idea: a document stating that you're already registered to vote. That's it. Personally my problem is that voting laws are handled at the Federal level down, but IDs are run by the States. I guess RealID is supposed to be sort of the solution to that issue, but the requirments for those are annoying to fulfill if you're not a utility-paying tenant.
      - skissane 5y ago
        Coming from a country (Australia) where federal elections are 100% run by and under control of an (independent) federal agency – I wonder how much of the recent US controversies over voting are due to the fact that the implementation of federal elections is something under state (and often even local) control? Would a "federal takeover" improve things? Have the FEC (or maybe even a new successor agency) actually run presidential and congressional elections? Of course, I realise it is very unlikely that legislation for such a "federal takeover" would make it through Congress, and if they did, there is a high likelihood that SCOTUS (especially with their current majority) would strike it down as an unconstitutional encroachment on state's rights.