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This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) f

by astura 5y ago

This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) for decades. It's a bit annoying when you start college when you are 38 years old and you no longer have any of your pediatric medical records, which happened to a friend of mine. For my friend the school accepted an antibody test, which a friend of mine had to get.

donkarma 5y ago
Yeah, proof of immunisation for yellow fever to some random African country, not continental Europe
- astura 5y ago
  The united states has required immigration visa applicants to show proof of immunization for years. >Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases: Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B Hepatitis B Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...
  - kyruzic 5y ago
    Immigration is a completely different thing from getting a beer at your local pub. Stop with these stupid false equivalences.
    - penultimatebro 5y ago
      But that’s the only argument they have
    - blacktriangle 5y ago
      Not to mention the current administration has been very clear that they will enforce vaccination requirements on everybody they can EXCEPT those violating our immigration laws.
vdqtp3 5y ago
Where are you from? I've taken college classes at several different institutions after starting my career and never had to provide any medical information at all.
- astura 5y ago
  Northeast USA. Immunization requirements are going to vary based on your local laws, your school's policies, and if your school is public or private. For example, here's who immunizations requirements apply to for college students in Massachusetts: https://www.mass.gov/info-details/school-immunizations https://www.mass.gov/info-details/school-immunizations >Requirements apply to all full-time undergraduate and graduate students under 30 years of age and all full- and part-time health science students. Meningococcal requirements apply to the group specified in the table below. And New York https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/laws_regs.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/laws_regs.... >NYS Public Health Law Section 2165 and NYCRR Title 10, Subpart 66-2 require students attending post-secondary institutions, who were born on or after January 1, 1957 and registered for 6 or more credit hours, to demonstrate proof of immunity against measles, mumps, and rubella
jaywalk 5y ago
When have you ever been required, by the government, to show proof of a specific immunization to enter a private business?
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  On the same note, why do I have to take off my shoes and can't bring more than 100ml of liquids through airport security? /s
- astura 5y ago
  For decades my state has had immunization requirements for private schools, private daycares, and private summer camps.
gruez 5y ago
> This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) for decades. that's fine because you only have to present the id once. I'm okay with having to present my id every time I enter the country, but not every time I eat out.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  You don't drink alcohol when you eat out? I find that showing my ID when I eat out is pretty much par for the course.
  - gruez 5y ago
    1. "being 21" isn't a medical intervention. getting a vaccine is. I'd be equally pissed if they required me to show a statin[1] passport every time I want to buy fried chicken. 2. getting carded usually involves the server taking a quick glance at my ID. I can reasonably sure that my dining habits aren't being fed into a giant database somewhere. The same can't be said of a smartphone QR reader. If the bar was scanning my ID to check my age, I'd nope out as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin
MadeThisToReply 5y ago
How many times in your life have you needed to register for school? How often do you need to apply for a visa? How often do you do these things compared to how frequently you enter a public building like a restaurant or supermarket? (And which visas are you applying for, by the way? I've crossed borders hundreds of times and have never once been asked for proof of vaccination?) If you think existing vaccine mandates are remotely comparable to what's being newly rolled out, you're insane.
kyruzic 5y ago
You constantly repeat this lie, but that doesn't change it from being a lie. I am Canadian, and live and went to school including University for my entire life in Alberta. No I did not ever need to show proof of immunizations. And even in places where public schools did request that proof you could simply opt out with any religious exemption. These exemptions were never "verified" and there was never consequences such as multiple weekly tests like we have now. Stop spreading this completely false lie. We have never had a system of vaccine passports.
- astura 5y ago
  It's not a lie. Maybe in Canada everyone can do the right thing so you guys don't need laws, but here in my state in the US -Immunization requirements apply to ALL schools, both public and private schools -There's no religious or other non-medical exemption allowed. Those are facts, not lies. My friend also had to get an antibody test prior to being allowed to register for classes. That's a fact, I saw the paperwork.

by astura 5y ago

donkarma 5y ago

Yeah, proof of immunisation for yellow fever to some random African country, not continental Europe

astura 5y ago
The united states has required immigration visa applicants to show proof of immunization for years. >Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases: Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B Hepatitis B Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...
- kyruzic 5y ago
  Immigration is a completely different thing from getting a beer at your local pub. Stop with these stupid false equivalences.
  - penultimatebro 5y ago
    But that’s the only argument they have
  - blacktriangle 5y ago
    Not to mention the current administration has been very clear that they will enforce vaccination requirements on everybody they can EXCEPT those violating our immigration laws.

vdqtp3 5y ago

Where are you from? I've taken college classes at several different institutions after starting my career and never had to provide any medical information at all.

astura 5y ago
Northeast USA. Immunization requirements are going to vary based on your local laws, your school's policies, and if your school is public or private. For example, here's who immunizations requirements apply to for college students in Massachusetts: https://www.mass.gov/info-details/school-immunizations https://www.mass.gov/info-details/school-immunizations >Requirements apply to all full-time undergraduate and graduate students under 30 years of age and all full- and part-time health science students. Meningococcal requirements apply to the group specified in the table below. And New York https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/laws_regs.htm https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/laws_regs.... >NYS Public Health Law Section 2165 and NYCRR Title 10, Subpart 66-2 require students attending post-secondary institutions, who were born on or after January 1, 1957 and registered for 6 or more credit hours, to demonstrate proof of immunity against measles, mumps, and rubella

jaywalk 5y ago

When have you ever been required, by the government, to show proof of a specific immunization to enter a private business?

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
On the same note, why do I have to take off my shoes and can't bring more than 100ml of liquids through airport security? /s
astura 5y ago
For decades my state has had immunization requirements for private schools, private daycares, and private summer camps.

gruez 5y ago

> This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) for decades. that's fine because you only have to present the id once. I'm okay with having to present my id every time I enter the country, but not every time I eat out.

shkkmo 5y ago
You don't drink alcohol when you eat out? I find that showing my ID when I eat out is pretty much par for the course.
- gruez 5y ago
  1. "being 21" isn't a medical intervention. getting a vaccine is. I'd be equally pissed if they required me to show a statin[1] passport every time I want to buy fried chicken. 2. getting carded usually involves the server taking a quick glance at my ID. I can reasonably sure that my dining habits aren't being fed into a giant database somewhere. The same can't be said of a smartphone QR reader. If the bar was scanning my ID to check my age, I'd nope out as well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statin

MadeThisToReply 5y ago

How many times in your life have you needed to register for school? How often do you need to apply for a visa? How often do you do these things compared to how frequently you enter a public building like a restaurant or supermarket? (And which visas are you applying for, by the way? I've crossed borders hundreds of times and have never once been asked for proof of vaccination?) If you think existing vaccine mandates are remotely comparable to what's being newly rolled out, you're insane.

kyruzic 5y ago

You constantly repeat this lie, but that doesn't change it from being a lie. I am Canadian, and live and went to school including University for my entire life in Alberta. No I did not ever need to show proof of immunizations. And even in places where public schools did request that proof you could simply opt out with any religious exemption. These exemptions were never "verified" and there was never consequences such as multiple weekly tests like we have now. Stop spreading this completely false lie. We have never had a system of vaccine passports.

astura 5y ago
It's not a lie. Maybe in Canada everyone can do the right thing so you guys don't need laws, but here in my state in the US -Immunization requirements apply to ALL schools, both public and private schools -There's no religious or other non-medical exemption allowed. Those are facts, not lies. My friend also had to get an antibody test prior to being allowed to register for classes. That's a fact, I saw the paperwork.