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I'm old enough to remember back when those of us who said vaccine passports were coming were conspiracy theorists, now we're calmly talking about implementation

I'm old enough to remember back when those of us who said vaccine passports were coming were conspiracy theorists, now we're calmly talking about implementation details.

gdulli 5y ago
There have been conspiracies put forth about covid, but with various other vaccine mandates already in existence I don't know how it would ever have made sense to call it a conspiracy that we'd add one more. Nothing's changed, qualitatively. What's different here is that prior vaccine mandates were never weaponized into a mainstream culture war, so before this they weren't controversial to most and we rarely thought of them. Given that culture war hesitancy over this vaccine was expected early on, I think it was predictable that employers and venues would need to require it in order for it to reach enough of the population to be effective.
ipspam 5y ago
Some people may be, others are planning to get tickets and crash the system.
traloid 5y ago
Im old enough to remember that people thinking NSA/CIA is watching everyone's internet activity were universally considered deranged schizophrenics. Whatever fears we have about privacy always turn out to be grossly optimistic underestimates. The next step is, of course, that these emergency measures will remain in place forever.
astura 5y ago
This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) for decades. It's a bit annoying when you start college when you are 38 years old and you no longer have any of your pediatric medical records, which happened to a friend of mine. For my friend the school accepted an antibody test, which a friend of mine had to get.
- donkarma 5y ago
  Yeah, proof of immunisation for yellow fever to some random African country, not continental Europe
  - astura 5y ago
    The united states has required immigration visa applicants to show proof of immunization for years. >Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases: Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B Hepatitis B Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...
    - kyruzic 5y ago
      Immigration is a completely different thing from getting a beer at your local pub. Stop with these stupid false equivalences.
      - penultimatebro 5y ago
        But that’s the only argument they have
      - blacktriangle 5y ago
        Not to mention the current administration has been very clear that they will enforce vaccination requirements on everybody they can EXCEPT those violating our immigration laws.
- vdqtp3 5y ago
  Where are you from? I've taken college classes at several different institutions after starting my career and never had to provide any medical information at all.

I'm old enough to remember back when those of us who said vaccine passports were coming were conspiracy theorists, now we're calmly talking about implementation details.

gdulli 5y ago

There have been conspiracies put forth about covid, but with various other vaccine mandates already in existence I don't know how it would ever have made sense to call it a conspiracy that we'd add one more. Nothing's changed, qualitatively. What's different here is that prior vaccine mandates were never weaponized into a mainstream culture war, so before this they weren't controversial to most and we rarely thought of them. Given that culture war hesitancy over this vaccine was expected early on, I think it was predictable that employers and venues would need to require it in order for it to reach enough of the population to be effective.

ipspam 5y ago

Some people may be, others are planning to get tickets and crash the system.

traloid 5y ago

Im old enough to remember that people thinking NSA/CIA is watching everyone's internet activity were universally considered deranged schizophrenics. Whatever fears we have about privacy always turn out to be grossly optimistic underestimates. The next step is, of course, that these emergency measures will remain in place forever.

astura 5y ago

This isn't a new concept - You've been required to show proof of immunizations to register for public school (including college) and get a visa (or immigrate) for decades. It's a bit annoying when you start college when you are 38 years old and you no longer have any of your pediatric medical records, which happened to a friend of mine. For my friend the school accepted an antibody test, which a friend of mine had to get.

donkarma 5y ago
Yeah, proof of immunisation for yellow fever to some random African country, not continental Europe
- astura 5y ago
  The united states has required immigration visa applicants to show proof of immunization for years. >Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases: Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B Hepatitis B Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...
  - kyruzic 5y ago
    Immigration is a completely different thing from getting a beer at your local pub. Stop with these stupid false equivalences.
    - penultimatebro 5y ago
      But that’s the only argument they have
    - blacktriangle 5y ago
      Not to mention the current administration has been very clear that they will enforce vaccination requirements on everybody they can EXCEPT those violating our immigration laws.
vdqtp3 5y ago
Where are you from? I've taken college classes at several different institutions after starting my career and never had to provide any medical information at all.