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I vote with my conscious, but I work for whoever will pay me the most money.

by jklinger410 5y ago

fortyseven 5y ago
Yeah, that's uh... "cool".
- jklinger410 5y ago
  Not everyone can just "choose" what field they want to be in. If I got to choose what I did every day, I'd be a writer or a musician. No ethical concerns there.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    You don't have to work in ads or tracking technologies. Unless you are quite junior and needed to accept whoever was willing to take you. But based on your knowledge of the industry it seems you've spent quite a bit of time there.
  - dkersten 5y ago
    Most people who work for eg google s engineers have plenty of other decent paying options, especially right now. Sure, not everyone diodes, but most do.
chitowneats 5y ago
Does this mean that you would vote for a candidate who promised to impose meaningful regulations on your industry? Even if that meant harming a company you work for / may have equity in? Is there some other solution to this tracking proliferation? My question assumes you believe the work your industry is doing is unethical but that seems to be implied by your posts.
- jklinger410 5y ago
  Absolutely. I'm not an owner and I don't have any equity.
- jklinger410 5y ago
  > Is there some other solution to this tracking proliferation? Not in capitalist countries. Serving someone an ad that is actually relevant to them is good business. The government doesn't need web cookies to find you, they can just call your ISP or your phone carrier, or check surveillance cameras, ask your bank, so-on. No one from these private companies has the time to look at the data, you are just a number to them. Though it might feel like it, you aren't being spied on in any meaningful sense. You are just being profiled, as a tax to use all of the free services you have access to. Paid services that don't sell your data are the way to go, if that kind of thing scares you. But the ads you see online are going to suck.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Ah, so you don't find it unethical. Makes sense then you have no qualms accepting your paycheck. For the record, "capitalist" countries can and do regulate businesses. Those that are democracies do so based on the general interest of the citizenry. Unless you consider anything beyond absolute libertarianism to be "not capitalist". I find these semantic arguments often confuse the issue at hand. I would love to pay for services that don't track me. You mentioned in another comment it's becoming hard to own a car, have a bank account, insurance, without tracking being baked in. I'm interested in ways we can work to change this. I don't subscribe to your belief that there is no solution, or that the level of tracking involved in the status quo is not "meaningful".
    - wahnfrieden 5y ago
      > "capitalist" countries can and do regulate businesses. Those that are democracies do so based on the general interest of the citizenry You have a strong reading of the level of citizen constituency at play in these neoliberal corporate welfare states
      - chitowneats 5y ago
        This type of cynicism about countries like Canada and the U.S. is unwarranted when looking at the full sweep of history. Progress was made in the past. All is not lost.
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I vote with my conscious, but I work for whoever will pay me the most money.

fortyseven 5y ago

Yeah, that's uh... "cool".

jklinger410 5y ago
Not everyone can just "choose" what field they want to be in. If I got to choose what I did every day, I'd be a writer or a musician. No ethical concerns there.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  You don't have to work in ads or tracking technologies. Unless you are quite junior and needed to accept whoever was willing to take you. But based on your knowledge of the industry it seems you've spent quite a bit of time there.
- dkersten 5y ago
  Most people who work for eg google s engineers have plenty of other decent paying options, especially right now. Sure, not everyone diodes, but most do.

chitowneats 5y ago

Does this mean that you would vote for a candidate who promised to impose meaningful regulations on your industry? Even if that meant harming a company you work for / may have equity in? Is there some other solution to this tracking proliferation? My question assumes you believe the work your industry is doing is unethical but that seems to be implied by your posts.

jklinger410 5y ago
Absolutely. I'm not an owner and I don't have any equity.
jklinger410 5y ago
> Is there some other solution to this tracking proliferation? Not in capitalist countries. Serving someone an ad that is actually relevant to them is good business. The government doesn't need web cookies to find you, they can just call your ISP or your phone carrier, or check surveillance cameras, ask your bank, so-on. No one from these private companies has the time to look at the data, you are just a number to them. Though it might feel like it, you aren't being spied on in any meaningful sense. You are just being profiled, as a tax to use all of the free services you have access to. Paid services that don't sell your data are the way to go, if that kind of thing scares you. But the ads you see online are going to suck.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Ah, so you don't find it unethical. Makes sense then you have no qualms accepting your paycheck. For the record, "capitalist" countries can and do regulate businesses. Those that are democracies do so based on the general interest of the citizenry. Unless you consider anything beyond absolute libertarianism to be "not capitalist". I find these semantic arguments often confuse the issue at hand. I would love to pay for services that don't track me. You mentioned in another comment it's becoming hard to own a car, have a bank account, insurance, without tracking being baked in. I'm interested in ways we can work to change this. I don't subscribe to your belief that there is no solution, or that the level of tracking involved in the status quo is not "meaningful".
  - wahnfrieden 5y ago
    > "capitalist" countries can and do regulate businesses. Those that are democracies do so based on the general interest of the citizenry You have a strong reading of the level of citizen constituency at play in these neoliberal corporate welfare states
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      This type of cynicism about countries like Canada and the U.S. is unwarranted when looking at the full sweep of history. Progress was made in the past. All is not lost.

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