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There is no correct way to do the content moderation, so on my website, https://roastidio.us https://roastidio.us I don't plan to have any. My rules are simple:
by derekzhouzhen 5y ago
There is no correct way to do the content moderation, so on my website, https://roastidio.us https://roastidio.us I don't plan to have any. My rules are simple:
* you can say whatever you want to say, but only one person, the one you replied to, get to see it other than youself
* the one you replied to get to approve whether it can be shown to other people. No further reply is allowed until this one is approved.
* Even the one you replied to don't approve your comment, the comment will not be deleted and will still be visible to you.
- makeitdouble 5y agoDon’t you still have to deal with user reports, repeated spam, stalking, verbal abuse etc. ? I’d assume a comment being visible to only one person doesn’t completely remove all the user to user issues the other platforms face.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoFlame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching. Why would anyone try to abuse someone of which they have next to zero info for no personal gain, and no one can witness your triumph anyway?
- ketzo 5y agoIs this a rhetorical question? Because people do that literally all the time. This is an extremely real problem.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoThere are genuinely mean people, and people financially or psychologically incentivized to be mean. Most, if not all, mean people I encountered in my life belong to the second group. Maybe you live a much more interesting life than mine. I dunno.
- npunt 5y agoDMs are a major abuse vector, and only the abuser and their victim see DMs. It doesn't sound like you've thought this one through.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI don't even support DM. Also anyone get only one chance to reply, unless the reply is approved.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoThen they'll make tons of accounts to create single comments harassing someone.
- npunt 5y agoSorry I wasn’t clear. I was replying to your assertion that ‘Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching’. DMs are an example of a major abuse vector where other people are not watching.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI understand. However, on my platform, there is no even username so it is very hard to follow people around. Also there is one reply per node limit and per user comment limit per day to cap the volume. Anyone must be able to take a small amount of abuse to survive this world. I can't eliminate abuse but I can increase the friction of abuse and make abuse less satisfying or rewarding. That's all I want to do.
- npunt 5y agoAh that makes more sense given the rules you're implementing. Agree friction is a good way to solve these kinds of issues.
- prawn 5y agoYou will get dominated by bot-generated spam at the very least. The bots don’t care that their content will be seen by one person, they just hammer every form they find, and the recipients will be overwhelmed having to delete this, and they will criticise your platform. As well as bots, you will get people manually hitting it. They’ll often use software customised to spam you. There is zero chance this model survives without any sort of moderation. (I’ve run a web forum for 18 or so years.)
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI am flattered. Let's say my platform somehow get popular, and bots is hitting it for no financial reason at all, they still get the one reply per node limit. Also I have a global per user replies limit per day. If you have an orchestrated army of bots hitting me, then I would get DDoS'ed, just like everyone else. However, that has nothing to do with content moderation at all, right?
- prawn 5y agoYou don't need to be popular or flattered. If you are linked from anywhere and in search engines, they will find you. And they will reply to every node they can. And they'll create new user accounts to submit more. I've gradually built my setup to filter based on words, URL fragments, block IPs, honeypots, shadowbanning, etc and they still get through. Take away all content moderation and I would be overrun to the point that my site was useless to my users. Those sort of methods are the easy bits too; dealing with greyarea trolls is the worst. Good luck. You'll find out.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoWhat do you do about harassment or people spreading illegal things?
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoAnyone in this world has to be able to take a small amount of abuse to survive. I am not trying to eliminate abuse, I am trying to take away the positive feedback loop that amplifies injustice. It is like emails. People can spam you. But if they know nothing about you, and the spam would never get acknowledged, and each SPAM incur some small delay and inconvenience to them, and they can never reap any gain, eventually they will stop.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoThat's not really how spam works though. Without spam filters, we'd still be inundated with spam, even though almost everyone just ignores it. Anyway, your system sounds interesting, and I'd be interested in hearing how it actually holds up, if you ever get a substantial number of users.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoI don't have spam filter myself (I run my own email server). I get some amount (~10?) of SPAM emails each day, to the amusement of myself. The bigger evil nowadays is Gmail/Outlook etc blocking legitimate emails sent from small guys like me, in the name of fighting SPAMs.
- unraveller 5y agoThe opt-in to see comments and user based approval method has been tried before. It's just pre-banning and always fails to gain steam on websites because it achieves what banning aims to achieve, it places a long artificial delay to time-sensitive posts. Many better places with more rewarding interactions exist to achieve the same end. Something tells me that these roast-posts (or "this shouldn't be in anyone's feed"-posts) are not going to attract any interesting talk. There is no fun in shouting moral disapproval in an empty chamber.
- derekzhouzhen 5y agoAgreed. I don't want to gain steam though. I want to facilitate meaningful, one-on-one, anonymous discussion, through minimal interactions with my website. Showing the resulting discussions to the general public only comes second.