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The internet is not moderated in any useful sense for content. Drug markets like white house market, and before that silk road have perpetuated for years. Tor

The internet is not moderated in any useful sense for content. Drug markets like white house market, and before that silk road have perpetuated for years. Tor and other darknet websites host content that is nearly universally disdained by governments and even most individuals, which I hesitate to even name here what that heinous content is (you and I both know some examples). > We assume NASA's site has NASA-posted content. We assume Apple's site has Apple-posted content. Trust in identity is not the same thing as useful moderation of content. That's useful moderation of identity. >Sites with different standards for what they'd publish have been around for decades (for gore, for porn, etc) but many of these still exist in a traditional curated-by-someone fashion, or are more open to UGC but still have some level of moderation. Those sites _choose_ to moderate their content, that doesn't exclude others that don't.

jjulius 5y ago
>The internet is not moderated in any useful sense for content. Drug markets like white house market, and before that silk road... You mean the Silk Road that the US government "moderated" out of existence, along with other Tor marketplaces over the years? The same ones that suggest White House Market's existence is also likely to be limited?
- quantumBerry 5y ago
  I suppose in the sense that Gabby Pettito was moderated off the internet, Ross Ulbricht was moderated off of the internet and into a cage permanently for the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade. Tor marketplaces were definitely not gone for years, the same content just moved under new banners. You can literally find the same content and more on WHM today as you did under Ulbricht's banner before he was kidnapped by government thugs.
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  - jjulius 5y ago
    >I suppose in the sense that Gabby Pettito was moderated off the internet, Ross Ulbricht was moderated off of the internet and into a cage permanently for the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade. Oh hello, strawman. >Tor marketplaces were definitely not gone for years, the same content just moved under new banners. You can literally find the same content and more on WHM today as you did under Ulbricht's banner before he was kidnapped by government thugs. And the only reason that happens is by virtue of Tor making it difficult to track the source of those sites and their operators. That doesn't mean that "moderators" (governments, etc.) aren't putting forth their best efforts to track them down and shut them down. It is nearly inevitable that WHM will see a similar fate to Silk Road, AlphaBay, DarkMarket, etc.. They're being shut down as quickly as they can be.
    - quantumBerry 5y ago
      >Oh hello, strawman. Glad to know you finally admit that being kidnapped by a 3rd party is not really what most of us think as "moderation", and thus you have made a straw man. Although in the strict sense I guess it is true that moderation could merely mean some 3rd party entity came along and violently kept me away from communicating. If you don't like me posting cat pictures on reddit, you could crack my skull or lock me in a cage and steal my PC and you would have "moderated" me but I wouldn't call that reddit moderation.
      - jjulius 5y ago
        ... wow. Talk about going from 0-100 entirely too fast. I was talking specifically about sites such as Silk Road and others being taken offline (which is exactly what you were talking about, too), not once did I mention his arrest nor did I allude to it. Glancing at your username, I seem to recall previous comments from you in threads about drug use being legalized. On the broad topic of drug legalization - again - you and I agree, but you would do well to prevent your biases from creeping in and causing you to misunderstand posts and/or lash out at others.
        quantumBerry 5y ago
  - nicbou 5y ago
    > the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade Well that, money laundering, hacking, and contracting someone to kill six people.
    - quantumBerry 5y ago
      >contracting someone to kill six people. A claim made by the government that was never proven, nor was he convicted, yet used to determine sentencing for an entirely different crime. A massive miscarriage of justice.

jjulius 5y ago

>The internet is not moderated in any useful sense for content. Drug markets like white house market, and before that silk road... You mean the Silk Road that the US government "moderated" out of existence, along with other Tor marketplaces over the years? The same ones that suggest White House Market's existence is also likely to be limited?

quantumBerry 5y ago
I suppose in the sense that Gabby Pettito was moderated off the internet, Ross Ulbricht was moderated off of the internet and into a cage permanently for the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade. Tor marketplaces were definitely not gone for years, the same content just moved under new banners. You can literally find the same content and more on WHM today as you did under Ulbricht's banner before he was kidnapped by government thugs.
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- jjulius 5y ago
  >I suppose in the sense that Gabby Pettito was moderated off the internet, Ross Ulbricht was moderated off of the internet and into a cage permanently for the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade. Oh hello, strawman. >Tor marketplaces were definitely not gone for years, the same content just moved under new banners. You can literally find the same content and more on WHM today as you did under Ulbricht's banner before he was kidnapped by government thugs. And the only reason that happens is by virtue of Tor making it difficult to track the source of those sites and their operators. That doesn't mean that "moderators" (governments, etc.) aren't putting forth their best efforts to track them down and shut them down. It is nearly inevitable that WHM will see a similar fate to Silk Road, AlphaBay, DarkMarket, etc.. They're being shut down as quickly as they can be.
  - quantumBerry 5y ago
    >Oh hello, strawman. Glad to know you finally admit that being kidnapped by a 3rd party is not really what most of us think as "moderation", and thus you have made a straw man. Although in the strict sense I guess it is true that moderation could merely mean some 3rd party entity came along and violently kept me away from communicating. If you don't like me posting cat pictures on reddit, you could crack my skull or lock me in a cage and steal my PC and you would have "moderated" me but I wouldn't call that reddit moderation.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      ... wow. Talk about going from 0-100 entirely too fast. I was talking specifically about sites such as Silk Road and others being taken offline (which is exactly what you were talking about, too), not once did I mention his arrest nor did I allude to it. Glancing at your username, I seem to recall previous comments from you in threads about drug use being legalized. On the broad topic of drug legalization - again - you and I agree, but you would do well to prevent your biases from creeping in and causing you to misunderstand posts and/or lash out at others.
      - quantumBerry 5y ago
- nicbou 5y ago
  > the heinous crime of facilitating voluntarily peaceful trade Well that, money laundering, hacking, and contracting someone to kill six people.
  - quantumBerry 5y ago
    >contracting someone to kill six people. A claim made by the government that was never proven, nor was he convicted, yet used to determine sentencing for an entirely different crime. A massive miscarriage of justice.