3 ms·

Freenet/lbry/tor hidden sites all exists (and get used all the time) and it's 100% not required there at all. I hope at some point weird moralization of nudity

by seany 5y ago

Freenet/lbry/tor hidden sites all exists (and get used all the time) and it's 100% not required there at all. I hope at some point weird moralization of nudity will stop.

brodouevencode 5y ago
Exactly. The author does not make a sufficient case of why content moderation is necessary, and doesn't even touch client-side moderation.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  The article is about business running platforms with UGC. While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.
  - brodouevencode 5y ago
    Outside of what the law prescribes - because that's a whole different topic with more grey area than not. If it's what the law prescribes then I'm not contending that. > you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way This is the way that moderation has been done in the past 10-15 years, but does it have to be? Why couldn't a platform provide user-level controls over what they see instead of making those decisions for them? Early forum software actually did somewhat of a good job of this, and I remember building phpBB extensions that enabled more user-level control. Even with this you can go from super granular to just a couple of primary options. It becomes a tagging/filtering mechanism on behalf of the client. Edit: UGC platforms may discover that there's some value in finding what filtering options their users use.
    - makeitdouble 5y ago
      To be clear, just following legal requirements is no simple task in most countries, and it might already require a significant moderation effort depending on how motivated your users are. > does it have to be? In most cases moderation is less about what users want or don’t want to see, and more about what you want your platform to be. For instance people are OK with product suggestions when they go on Amazon, but if your job posting site becomes an endless stream of Amazon links you’ll want to curb that. And perhaps your users find interesting products in all these links, but from your perspective it will kill your business (except if you pivot into becoming a product listing site of course)
  - commandlinefan 5y ago
    The only real argument in favor of moderation is that the platform owner is legally obligated to do so - which could and should be changed.
    - mindslight 5y ago
      Or better yet, do away with these "platform owners" by using decentralized technologies.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
nicbou 5y ago
> moralization of nudity Even porn sites need moderation. Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization. > and it's 100% not required there at all I'm not super familiar with the darkweb, but I assume that darkweb platforms also have active moderation, even if it's only to keep griefers out. Pornography is not the only use case for moderation.
- quantumBerry 5y ago
  >Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization. How does moderation of content prevent sexual abuse or CP? If anything I'd argue it creates more, because those that seek the images instead have to produce their own if they cannot find them.
  - npteljes 5y ago
    Why do you think OP tried to stop it by moderation? They simply wanted to not propagate it further.
    - quantumBerry 5y ago
      Is there any evidence that stopping the propagation actually leads to fewer physically abused victims? Or does it just force perverted people to actually act out their heinous crimes because they can't find the images and likeness that satisfies them online? This is a genuine question I don't know the answer to. My intuition says that blocking the content forces these bad people to create new content and victims. >Why do you think OP tried to stop it by moderation? I guess I was being charitable and thought OP had in mind to minimize harm. I suppose neither of us know for certain.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  Or revenge porn, entrapment, white slavery, etc., etc.
cowmoo728 5y ago
Have you gone on darknet sites? They have moderation too, or else they get filled with CP and terrorist propaganda just like every other service. I guess that's "fine" if you're anonymous and don't think the FBI will find you. But if you're running a business on the clearnet there's a real name and address and there will be real life consequences. The FBI gets interested real fast if you don't moderate posts that encourage terrorist acts.
- seany 5y ago
  Yes, near daily.
  - Loughla 5y ago
    While that's great, you didn't really address the actual point of that post. I would like to hear your take on that.

by seany 5y ago

Freenet/lbry/tor hidden sites all exists (and get used all the time) and it's 100% not required there at all. I hope at some point weird moralization of nudity will stop.

brodouevencode 5y ago

Exactly. The author does not make a sufficient case of why content moderation is necessary, and doesn't even touch client-side moderation.

makeitdouble 5y ago
The article is about business running platforms with UGC. While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.
- brodouevencode 5y ago
  Outside of what the law prescribes - because that's a whole different topic with more grey area than not. If it's what the law prescribes then I'm not contending that. > you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way This is the way that moderation has been done in the past 10-15 years, but does it have to be? Why couldn't a platform provide user-level controls over what they see instead of making those decisions for them? Early forum software actually did somewhat of a good job of this, and I remember building phpBB extensions that enabled more user-level control. Even with this you can go from super granular to just a couple of primary options. It becomes a tagging/filtering mechanism on behalf of the client. Edit: UGC platforms may discover that there's some value in finding what filtering options their users use.
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    To be clear, just following legal requirements is no simple task in most countries, and it might already require a significant moderation effort depending on how motivated your users are. > does it have to be? In most cases moderation is less about what users want or don’t want to see, and more about what you want your platform to be. For instance people are OK with product suggestions when they go on Amazon, but if your job posting site becomes an endless stream of Amazon links you’ll want to curb that. And perhaps your users find interesting products in all these links, but from your perspective it will kill your business (except if you pivot into becoming a product listing site of course)
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  The only real argument in favor of moderation is that the platform owner is legally obligated to do so - which could and should be changed.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    Or better yet, do away with these "platform owners" by using decentralized technologies.

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

nicbou 5y ago

> moralization of nudity Even porn sites need moderation. Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization. > and it's 100% not required there at all I'm not super familiar with the darkweb, but I assume that darkweb platforms also have active moderation, even if it's only to keep griefers out. Pornography is not the only use case for moderation.

quantumBerry 5y ago
>Trying to stop sexual abuse and child pornography isn't weird moralization. How does moderation of content prevent sexual abuse or CP? If anything I'd argue it creates more, because those that seek the images instead have to produce their own if they cannot find them.
- npteljes 5y ago
  Why do you think OP tried to stop it by moderation? They simply wanted to not propagate it further.
  - quantumBerry 5y ago
    Is there any evidence that stopping the propagation actually leads to fewer physically abused victims? Or does it just force perverted people to actually act out their heinous crimes because they can't find the images and likeness that satisfies them online? This is a genuine question I don't know the answer to. My intuition says that blocking the content forces these bad people to create new content and victims. >Why do you think OP tried to stop it by moderation? I guess I was being charitable and thought OP had in mind to minimize harm. I suppose neither of us know for certain.
dredmorbius 5y ago
Or revenge porn, entrapment, white slavery, etc., etc.

cowmoo728 5y ago

Have you gone on darknet sites? They have moderation too, or else they get filled with CP and terrorist propaganda just like every other service. I guess that's "fine" if you're anonymous and don't think the FBI will find you. But if you're running a business on the clearnet there's a real name and address and there will be real life consequences. The FBI gets interested real fast if you don't moderate posts that encourage terrorist acts.

seany 5y ago
Yes, near daily.
- Loughla 5y ago
  While that's great, you didn't really address the actual point of that post. I would like to hear your take on that.