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That sounds implausible. Jalopnik is part of the same cluster as Jezebel, Gawker and Kotaku. Not saying it's not true, but I'd need to see another credible sour

That sounds implausible. Jalopnik is part of the same cluster as Jezebel, Gawker and Kotaku. Not saying it's not true, but I'd need to see another credible source confirm before I believe it

AlexandrB 5y ago
The article links several other sources, including the South China Morning Post: https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/article/3150275/man-says-tesla-suing-him-us650000-online-posts https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/arti...
- rendall 5y ago
  Sure, but it's all from the guy himself. No indication of follow-up, nor confirmation. A link to, say, the actual lawsuit on a government website, is confirmation. Tesla saying something like "We do not comment on ongoing litigation" is confirmation. A link to another news website of dubious provenance, likely the self-same source from which Jalopnik itself got the scoop, is not a credible source. Those news articles are literally just repeating what the guy himself said on social media. Come on, people. Media literacy and critical thinking is essential. Don't believe something just because it confirms your preconception, even if you hate Tesla, Musk, Pelosi, Trump, whatever, whomever. Go ahead and downvote if you must. It'd be awesome if you could say why but go off.
  - hluska 5y ago
    It’s usually unbelievably boring to talk about downvotes, but I downvoted this comment. It’s not only incredibly boring but assumes that you’re the only intelligent person who bothers to read critically. Not only is that wrong but it’s tremendously egotistical and again, incredibly boring to read. You might be right but you could have expressed that in a less ego filled (and thus somewhat interesting) way. This current comment, I’m sorry, but it’s too incredibly boring for anything but downvotes.
    - rendall 5y ago
      > but assumes that you’re the only intelligent person who bothers to read critically That's reading a lot into what I wrote! There was a note of frustration, sure, but upstream was just pointing out that I didn't find it credible. I disagree with you, but thanks for taking the time and the hits. Here, have an upvote.
  - jmull 5y ago
    What about the other supporting links in the article? You seem to be implying an elaborate misinformation effort here, but provide no support for that. To paraphrase some good advice: Don't disbelieve something just because doing so confirms your preconception.
    - rendall 5y ago
      That is a fair point. I think my bias is anti-Gawker, and not so much pro-Tesla. Also, pro common sense. Who the heck would expect success doing something like that? But, yes, I get it. I do have my biases. Seriously, thanks for answering.
  - NationalPark 5y ago
    I downvoted because you are lecturing people on media literacy and critical thinking while obviously falling victim to your own bias.
    - rendall 5y ago
      Fair point. Thanks for answering.
- someperson 5y ago
  Anecdotally the quality of SCMP has dropped a lot since Jack Ma bought it. It seems a lot more aligned to the Chinese Communist Party than it used to be. Which is understandable given the collapse of Hong Kong's freedoms, and the crackdown on independent media like Apple Daily.
vardump 5y ago
Jalopnik sure seems to have an anti-Tesla agenda: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=jalopnik%20tesla&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- lastofthemojito 5y ago
  New media car sites like Jalopnik and The Drive (which has a lot of former Jalopnik writers) are closer to Medium blogs than the NY Times. Sure, there's an editor, but in general the authors just post their own hot takes, and articles on Jalopnik will vary dramatically in slant (and quality) depending on who wrote them. For example, Bradley Brownell loves EVs, including Tesla: https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-tesla-model-y-is-the-universal-daily-driver-1846318552 https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-tesla-model-y-is-the-universal... David Tracy highlights interesting Tesla engineering: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e... https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-ys-octovalve-and-cooling-system-manifol-1843342722 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-ys-octovalve-and-coolin... And Jason Torchinsky definitely isn't entertained by Tesla and Elon Musk: https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to-me-for-months-a-1845279798 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to... https://jalopnik.com/teslas-ai-day-event-did-a-great-job-convincing-me-theyr-1847526454 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-ai-day-event-did-a-great-job-con...
- crmrc114 5y ago
  I think in general car enthusiasts who enjoy working on their vehicles and modding them are not interested in Tesla's. The general lack of repairability and aftermarket parts drives people like me away. Honestly in my opinion it feels like renting a vehicle. It works for some people, just not my taste. Most of the people I work with would rather tune a diesel truck or work on an old four-banger Honda than ever consider buying a brand new Tesla. for as many jokes as I can make about the Ford Mach e mustang, at least I can get parts for it. Anyhow a lot of gear heads in the automotive world come from a place of wanting things to enjoy mechanically. To truly own the machine you need to understand the machine to truly understand the machine you need to open the machine.

That sounds implausible. Jalopnik is part of the same cluster as Jezebel, Gawker and Kotaku. Not saying it's not true, but I'd need to see another credible source confirm before I believe it

AlexandrB 5y ago

The article links several other sources, including the South China Morning Post: https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/article/3150275/man-says-tesla-suing-him-us650000-online-posts https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/arti...

rendall 5y ago
Sure, but it's all from the guy himself. No indication of follow-up, nor confirmation. A link to, say, the actual lawsuit on a government website, is confirmation. Tesla saying something like "We do not comment on ongoing litigation" is confirmation. A link to another news website of dubious provenance, likely the self-same source from which Jalopnik itself got the scoop, is not a credible source. Those news articles are literally just repeating what the guy himself said on social media. Come on, people. Media literacy and critical thinking is essential. Don't believe something just because it confirms your preconception, even if you hate Tesla, Musk, Pelosi, Trump, whatever, whomever. Go ahead and downvote if you must. It'd be awesome if you could say why but go off.
- hluska 5y ago
  It’s usually unbelievably boring to talk about downvotes, but I downvoted this comment. It’s not only incredibly boring but assumes that you’re the only intelligent person who bothers to read critically. Not only is that wrong but it’s tremendously egotistical and again, incredibly boring to read. You might be right but you could have expressed that in a less ego filled (and thus somewhat interesting) way. This current comment, I’m sorry, but it’s too incredibly boring for anything but downvotes.
  - rendall 5y ago
    > but assumes that you’re the only intelligent person who bothers to read critically That's reading a lot into what I wrote! There was a note of frustration, sure, but upstream was just pointing out that I didn't find it credible. I disagree with you, but thanks for taking the time and the hits. Here, have an upvote.
- jmull 5y ago
  What about the other supporting links in the article? You seem to be implying an elaborate misinformation effort here, but provide no support for that. To paraphrase some good advice: Don't disbelieve something just because doing so confirms your preconception.
  - rendall 5y ago
    That is a fair point. I think my bias is anti-Gawker, and not so much pro-Tesla. Also, pro common sense. Who the heck would expect success doing something like that? But, yes, I get it. I do have my biases. Seriously, thanks for answering.
- NationalPark 5y ago
  I downvoted because you are lecturing people on media literacy and critical thinking while obviously falling victim to your own bias.
  - rendall 5y ago
    Fair point. Thanks for answering.
someperson 5y ago
Anecdotally the quality of SCMP has dropped a lot since Jack Ma bought it. It seems a lot more aligned to the Chinese Communist Party than it used to be. Which is understandable given the collapse of Hong Kong's freedoms, and the crackdown on independent media like Apple Daily.

vardump 5y ago

Jalopnik sure seems to have an anti-Tesla agenda: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=jalopnik%20tesla&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

lastofthemojito 5y ago
New media car sites like Jalopnik and The Drive (which has a lot of former Jalopnik writers) are closer to Medium blogs than the NY Times. Sure, there's an editor, but in general the authors just post their own hot takes, and articles on Jalopnik will vary dramatically in slant (and quality) depending on who wrote them. For example, Bradley Brownell loves EVs, including Tesla: https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-tesla-model-y-is-the-universal-daily-driver-1846318552 https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-tesla-model-y-is-the-universal... David Tracy highlights interesting Tesla engineering: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e... https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-ys-octovalve-and-cooling-system-manifol-1843342722 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-ys-octovalve-and-coolin... And Jason Torchinsky definitely isn't entertained by Tesla and Elon Musk: https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to-me-for-months-a-1845279798 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-pr-department-hasnt-responded-to... https://jalopnik.com/teslas-ai-day-event-did-a-great-job-convincing-me-theyr-1847526454 https://jalopnik.com/teslas-ai-day-event-did-a-great-job-con...
crmrc114 5y ago
I think in general car enthusiasts who enjoy working on their vehicles and modding them are not interested in Tesla's. The general lack of repairability and aftermarket parts drives people like me away. Honestly in my opinion it feels like renting a vehicle. It works for some people, just not my taste. Most of the people I work with would rather tune a diesel truck or work on an old four-banger Honda than ever consider buying a brand new Tesla. for as many jokes as I can make about the Ford Mach e mustang, at least I can get parts for it. Anyhow a lot of gear heads in the automotive world come from a place of wanting things to enjoy mechanically. To truly own the machine you need to understand the machine to truly understand the machine you need to open the machine.