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One interpretation of this was also that we you're lacking the feeling control in your life you can retaliate by staying awake late and feel tired later. I've s

One interpretation of this was also that we you're lacking the feeling control in your life you can retaliate by staying awake late and feel tired later. I've seen some cases that might well fit this but I don't think I want to jump into conclusions here.

pbronez 5y ago
Exactly. That was my experience. I snapped out of it by recognizing that giving into RBP was a loss of control in itself. I get a lot more “fuck you Ill do want I want” satisfaction by going to bed ASAP, waking up early, and using those early hours intentionally.
- maxfurman 5y ago
  Or you can do what I do: go to bed early, tell yourself that you're going to get up early and do things, and then sleep until your normal time anyway. That way you don't have fun _and_ you feel bad about lying to yourself! But at least you get enough sleep.
  - shrubby 5y ago
    Heh. That's one way. I actually started to get to bed after my kid so I'm usually asleep by nine and wake up without an alarm around four. It has been great few years to have few silent hours to think before heading to work and I don't think I'll ever want to go back from this.
    - edelans 5y ago
      interesting : I've often felt that this was the way to go. But on the other end, when I stay up at night, get into the "flow", I really like that feeling that my time is not "bounded". ok, it's bounded because at some point I'll need to sleep, but you get the idea. I have the feeling that working on a project in the morning before kids and wife get up in the morning would put additional stress (like "sh*t, I have only 30min left to solve this"). That would make the thing not nearly as enjoyable as in the evening. How do you relate to this feeling ? Maybe those morning hours should be dedicated to tasks that have a highly predictable duration (working out / cleaning inbox / ...) and not to "discovery mode" (when you want to solve something but have no idea on how to do it).
      - shrubby 5y ago
        I have some margin in the mornings so should I hit something flow-ish I'll skip my morning stuff or take a train to shorten the cycling commute. And my thoughtwork isn't time critical most of the times so my approach will not fit everyone.

pbronez 5y ago

Exactly. That was my experience. I snapped out of it by recognizing that giving into RBP was a loss of control in itself. I get a lot more “fuck you Ill do want I want” satisfaction by going to bed ASAP, waking up early, and using those early hours intentionally.

maxfurman 5y ago
Or you can do what I do: go to bed early, tell yourself that you're going to get up early and do things, and then sleep until your normal time anyway. That way you don't have fun _and_ you feel bad about lying to yourself! But at least you get enough sleep.
- shrubby 5y ago
  Heh. That's one way. I actually started to get to bed after my kid so I'm usually asleep by nine and wake up without an alarm around four. It has been great few years to have few silent hours to think before heading to work and I don't think I'll ever want to go back from this.
  - edelans 5y ago
    interesting : I've often felt that this was the way to go. But on the other end, when I stay up at night, get into the "flow", I really like that feeling that my time is not "bounded". ok, it's bounded because at some point I'll need to sleep, but you get the idea. I have the feeling that working on a project in the morning before kids and wife get up in the morning would put additional stress (like "sh*t, I have only 30min left to solve this"). That would make the thing not nearly as enjoyable as in the evening. How do you relate to this feeling ? Maybe those morning hours should be dedicated to tasks that have a highly predictable duration (working out / cleaning inbox / ...) and not to "discovery mode" (when you want to solve something but have no idea on how to do it).
    - shrubby 5y ago
      I have some margin in the mornings so should I hit something flow-ish I'll skip my morning stuff or take a train to shorten the cycling commute. And my thoughtwork isn't time critical most of the times so my approach will not fit everyone.