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People who ‘can’t fit into jeans they wore aged 21’ risk developing diabetes

38 points by melling 5y ago

troydavis 5y ago
The title is clickbait but the stat is incredible: > They completed three rounds of this programme until they lost 10 to 15% of their body weight. > After weight loss was achieved, scans showed reductions in the fat in the liver and eight of the 12 participants had their type 2 diabetes go into remission, which was defined as having blood sugar levels under control and patients no longer needing any medication. Here's the professor's own site and explanation: https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#pub... , https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/ https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2di... (2017)
- melling 5y ago
  It seems that people can get excess fat in their liver and pancreas, which causes Type 2 diabetes in some people who aren't even considered overweight. Getting your body to use the excess fat in your organs seems to be the problem. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-...
- shapefrog 5y ago
  Basically having type 2 diabetes indicated 10-15% excess body weight for optimum function (irrespective of level of current weight/bmi/etc) and loss of 10-15% reversed diagnosis. That is how I read the results.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  It's not clickbait; it's illustrative language that conveys the essential point.
Proven 5y ago
More alarmist nonsense from the Guardian... Their links should be banned from HN. Presumed takeaways: 1) All Taliban members are at risk! 2) Sure, everyone is "at risk". I won't click on the stupid link but I bet that the risk is small enough not to be worth the time required to read the article.
anonymousiam 5y ago
The idea that type 2 diabetes is related to obesity has been around for a long time, and probably has merit. The idea that I am at risk because I cannot fit into jeans I wore at 21 is a joke. I weigh 32% more now than I did at 21, but my BMI is healthy. I was VERY skinny at 21, almost to the point of being unhealthy.
- bravetraveler 5y ago
  My first thought... This might be a true statement for people with the same path. I was ridiculously athletic at 21, I can't maintain that index forever
  - silicon2401 5y ago
    Why do you think you can't maintain that index forever? Were you extremely heavy with muscle, or extremely skinny and low-muscle?
    - bravetraveler 5y ago
      Super duper lean, never was able to hold onto much muscle. Probably more to do with my activities of choice though, mostly 'cardio' from skateboarding/swimming/running I'd wager. This has completely fallen on its face though, admittedly way too sedentary for my own good anymore...
      - silicon2401 5y ago
        There's a useful article that was posted on HN recently about how metabolism doesn't change from years 20-60. Except for legitimate health conditions, the only reason for weight change from 21 years old is lifestyle and diet. Hence this thread's original topic is entirely plausible: there's no biological reason one shouldn't wear the same jeans one wore when they were 21. In your case it also holds true: it doesn't take extreme athleticism to be lean, just a healthy and moderate diet. That may not seem normal today where obesity is becoming an everyday thing, but the average weight today is what's unhealthy, not being able to wear the same jeans you wore at 21. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58186710 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58186710
chrisjs95 5y ago
Maybe we can simplify the messaging around Covid? If you can't fit into jeans you wore when you were 21 you need to get a vaccine and 12 boosters a year. Everyone else, good to go.
delineator 5y ago
Aside: after 3 months of a keto - no/low carbs,sugars - diet I've lost ~10% body weight. Avocado smoothie with MCT oil, chia seed, hemp, cocoa, collagen powders breakfast at 9am. Egg, cheese, leafy green vegetable lunch. Meat/fish and veg dinner at 6pm. Blueberries and cream with 85% dark chocolate dessert. Energy levels are more even during the day.
- tomhunters 5y ago
  I agree with this one; keto works wonders. It's not for everyone, but it is worth a try. Combine it with intermittent fasting it will develop good benefits for the body.
- supercanuck 5y ago
  recipes?
  - wil421 5y ago
    For lunch I will eat Prosciutto or another cured meat thats high fat with a cheese. Otherwise it’s meat on top of a salad with homemade Red Wine Vinaigrette. EVOO whipped with Dijon mustard, red wine vinegar, salt, pepper and dried herbs to taste. Breakfast is a decent quality egg (orange yolks) plus a generous portion of coconut oil.
    - grvdrm 5y ago
      Don't mean this as insult, but this can't make sense: "prosciutto or another cured meat" Am I crazy or are you just substituting something (i.e. a carb) with something else (cured meat) that comes with a different set of problems? I'm remain perplexed by keto diets. Yes, stabilizing glucose levels and removing spikes/crashes is important, but some of the alternatives don't make a ton of sense.
      - UncleMeat 5y ago
        Yeah, cured meat everyday is also quite bad. Especially if you are getting a considerable portion of your calories from it (leafy greens have very few calories).
fortytwo79 5y ago
I wish people would pay me to write headlines like this. How about this idea for an article: "People who find baseball stadium chairs uncomfortable risk developing diabetes.

38 points by melling 5y ago

The title is clickbait but the stat is incredible: > They completed three rounds of this programme until they lost 10 to 15% of their body weight. > After weight loss was achieved, scans showed reductions in the fat in the liver and eight of the 12 participants had their type 2 diabetes go into remission, which was defined as having blood sugar levels under control and patients no longer needing any medication. Here's the professor's own site and explanation: https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#pub... , https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2diabetesisreversible/ https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/archive/2017/09/type2di... (2017)

melling 5y ago
It seems that people can get excess fat in their liver and pancreas, which causes Type 2 diabetes in some people who aren't even considered overweight. Getting your body to use the excess fat in your organs seems to be the problem. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-...
shapefrog 5y ago
Basically having type 2 diabetes indicated 10-15% excess body weight for optimum function (irrespective of level of current weight/bmi/etc) and loss of 10-15% reversed diagnosis. That is how I read the results.
alisonkisk 5y ago
It's not clickbait; it's illustrative language that conveys the essential point.

Proven 5y ago

More alarmist nonsense from the Guardian... Their links should be banned from HN. Presumed takeaways: 1) All Taliban members are at risk! 2) Sure, everyone is "at risk". I won't click on the stupid link but I bet that the risk is small enough not to be worth the time required to read the article.

anonymousiam 5y ago

The idea that type 2 diabetes is related to obesity has been around for a long time, and probably has merit. The idea that I am at risk because I cannot fit into jeans I wore at 21 is a joke. I weigh 32% more now than I did at 21, but my BMI is healthy. I was VERY skinny at 21, almost to the point of being unhealthy.

bravetraveler 5y ago
My first thought... This might be a true statement for people with the same path. I was ridiculously athletic at 21, I can't maintain that index forever
- silicon2401 5y ago
  Why do you think you can't maintain that index forever? Were you extremely heavy with muscle, or extremely skinny and low-muscle?
  - bravetraveler 5y ago
    Super duper lean, never was able to hold onto much muscle. Probably more to do with my activities of choice though, mostly 'cardio' from skateboarding/swimming/running I'd wager. This has completely fallen on its face though, admittedly way too sedentary for my own good anymore...
    - silicon2401 5y ago
      There's a useful article that was posted on HN recently about how metabolism doesn't change from years 20-60. Except for legitimate health conditions, the only reason for weight change from 21 years old is lifestyle and diet. Hence this thread's original topic is entirely plausible: there's no biological reason one shouldn't wear the same jeans one wore when they were 21. In your case it also holds true: it doesn't take extreme athleticism to be lean, just a healthy and moderate diet. That may not seem normal today where obesity is becoming an everyday thing, but the average weight today is what's unhealthy, not being able to wear the same jeans you wore at 21. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58186710 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58186710

chrisjs95 5y ago

Maybe we can simplify the messaging around Covid? If you can't fit into jeans you wore when you were 21 you need to get a vaccine and 12 boosters a year. Everyone else, good to go.

delineator 5y ago

Aside: after 3 months of a keto - no/low carbs,sugars - diet I've lost ~10% body weight. Avocado smoothie with MCT oil, chia seed, hemp, cocoa, collagen powders breakfast at 9am. Egg, cheese, leafy green vegetable lunch. Meat/fish and veg dinner at 6pm. Blueberries and cream with 85% dark chocolate dessert. Energy levels are more even during the day.

tomhunters 5y ago
I agree with this one; keto works wonders. It's not for everyone, but it is worth a try. Combine it with intermittent fasting it will develop good benefits for the body.
supercanuck 5y ago
recipes?
- wil421 5y ago
  For lunch I will eat Prosciutto or another cured meat thats high fat with a cheese. Otherwise it’s meat on top of a salad with homemade Red Wine Vinaigrette. EVOO whipped with Dijon mustard, red wine vinegar, salt, pepper and dried herbs to taste. Breakfast is a decent quality egg (orange yolks) plus a generous portion of coconut oil.
  - grvdrm 5y ago
    Don't mean this as insult, but this can't make sense: "prosciutto or another cured meat" Am I crazy or are you just substituting something (i.e. a carb) with something else (cured meat) that comes with a different set of problems? I'm remain perplexed by keto diets. Yes, stabilizing glucose levels and removing spikes/crashes is important, but some of the alternatives don't make a ton of sense.
    - UncleMeat 5y ago
      Yeah, cured meat everyday is also quite bad. Especially if you are getting a considerable portion of your calories from it (leafy greens have very few calories).

fortytwo79 5y ago

I wish people would pay me to write headlines like this. How about this idea for an article: "People who find baseball stadium chairs uncomfortable risk developing diabetes.