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I'll skip dissecting your painful metaphor and go straight to your claim. I haven't said anything about my opinion of Shodan or their work. I also know that the

I'll skip dissecting your painful metaphor and go straight to your claim. I haven't said anything about my opinion of Shodan or their work. I also know that the Internet is full of malicious actors and we must expect and protect against abuse. I didn't give Shodan permission to access my systems. The services and methods they used were not publicly listed services that one would expect a member of the public to use. They don't have implicit permission. Before reporting them to their ISPs, I checked the terms of the ISPs. These prohibited Shodan's behaviour. I didn't exaggerate or lie to the ISPs, just gave them the facts. The ISPs chose to bring this up with Shodan, proving that my reports were meritorious. Shodan contacted me more than once and I politely told them not to access my systems again. Each time they ignored my explicit withdrawal of consent. Shodan are a commercial organisation that profits from the information they gather. So they accessed my systems without permission, broke the terms of service of multiple ISPs, which were then enforced by their ISPs, and then were specifically asked by me to stop on more than one occasion, which they did not. They profit from all of this. And you think I'm a Karen? It used to be that people who used the Internet did so under certain social norms. One of these was not to touch another's network without permission and, if caught, accept you got caught and gracefully stop it. I guess because you like Shodan, you assert they can do all of this and anyone who reasonably and politely objects to it is somehow unreasonable. It bemuses me what the Internet has become.

robbedpeter 5y ago
>>It used to be that people who used the Internet did so under certain social norms. One of these was not to touch another's network without permission and, if caught, accept you got caught and gracefully stop it. This is a silly argument. You're connecting to the internet, bud. It's a dangerous place, and there is zero expectation that nobody look at or scan your network. PUBLIC internet means what you connect to it is PUBLIC, at the global scale. Shodan isn't hacking into secured devices. It isn't getting past your ISP's firewall and looking into restricted networks. It's scanning publicly addressed, explicitly broadcast ports, services, devices, and data. It's not on them to cater to your weird sense of internet manners, it's on you to wise up to what your public internet connection means.

robbedpeter 5y ago

>>It used to be that people who used the Internet did so under certain social norms. One of these was not to touch another's network without permission and, if caught, accept you got caught and gracefully stop it. This is a silly argument. You're connecting to the internet, bud. It's a dangerous place, and there is zero expectation that nobody look at or scan your network. PUBLIC internet means what you connect to it is PUBLIC, at the global scale. Shodan isn't hacking into secured devices. It isn't getting past your ISP's firewall and looking into restricted networks. It's scanning publicly addressed, explicitly broadcast ports, services, devices, and data. It's not on them to cater to your weird sense of internet manners, it's on you to wise up to what your public internet connection means.