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for people who might say 'oh, but these batteries are so dangerous!' How many cooling system leaks (radiator+water pump related plumbing) result in vehicle eng

for people who might say 'oh, but these batteries are so dangerous!' How many cooling system leaks (radiator+water pump related plumbing) result in vehicle engine fires per year? I imagine the largest insurance companies have reasonably good data on this as a cause of total-loss of a vehicle. How many times have you seen in person, or seen a photo of a burned out RV that somebody pushed too hard up a mountain pass without keeping an eye on the engine temperature?

DoingIsLearning 5y ago
Read the doc, this has nothing to do with lithium batteries as a component. This was a System Requirements/Hazard Analysis failure. The fault lies square with Tesla. No amount of RV analogies can dilute this.
- walrus01 5y ago
  The point was that plenty of other energy dense things with radiator-based liquid cooling loops lack proper monitoring systems. Not excusing Tesla but the actual number of heat producing things that catch on fire every year (in general) because of cooling pump/cooling loop failure is quite a lot. In many categories of equipment.
driverdan 5y ago
> How many cooling system leaks (radiator+water pump related plumbing) result in vehicle engine fires per year? Almost none. Overheating is highly unlikely to cause a fire. Fuel leaks cause fires.
phaedrus 5y ago
You have a gross misconception of the relative temperatures of components in internal combustion engines, and you're using a faulty conclusion based on the same misunderstanding as supposed supporting evidence. I assure you an RV or other gas/diesel vehicle does NOT suddenly go "pop!" and produce an engine fire when the needle reaches the right hand side of the temperature gauge. The temperature gauge warns you when the coolant is at risk of boiling; it's not a warning that the engine is about to spontaneously combust.
- walrus01 5y ago
  right, that's why every burned out at the roadside RV I've seen in my lifetime (probably more than a dozen now) was on the upward slope of a high mountain pass, or at the peak... one of the points I was trying to make is that people don't maintain liquid cooling loops in general, and that's one of the more common instances of it. do you live somewhere flat? go ask the towtruck drivers who work the coquihalla highway in BC how many vehicle fires they see every year, and where those vehicle fires occur.
pengaru 5y ago
Overheating ICEs blow head gaskets and warp cylinder heads, they don't generally start fires. Fuel leaks and/or exhaust system failures, especially on turbocharged vehicles however...

DoingIsLearning 5y ago

Read the doc, this has nothing to do with lithium batteries as a component. This was a System Requirements/Hazard Analysis failure. The fault lies square with Tesla. No amount of RV analogies can dilute this.

walrus01 5y ago
The point was that plenty of other energy dense things with radiator-based liquid cooling loops lack proper monitoring systems. Not excusing Tesla but the actual number of heat producing things that catch on fire every year (in general) because of cooling pump/cooling loop failure is quite a lot. In many categories of equipment.

driverdan 5y ago

> How many cooling system leaks (radiator+water pump related plumbing) result in vehicle engine fires per year? Almost none. Overheating is highly unlikely to cause a fire. Fuel leaks cause fires.

phaedrus 5y ago

You have a gross misconception of the relative temperatures of components in internal combustion engines, and you're using a faulty conclusion based on the same misunderstanding as supposed supporting evidence. I assure you an RV or other gas/diesel vehicle does NOT suddenly go "pop!" and produce an engine fire when the needle reaches the right hand side of the temperature gauge. The temperature gauge warns you when the coolant is at risk of boiling; it's not a warning that the engine is about to spontaneously combust.

walrus01 5y ago
right, that's why every burned out at the roadside RV I've seen in my lifetime (probably more than a dozen now) was on the upward slope of a high mountain pass, or at the peak... one of the points I was trying to make is that people don't maintain liquid cooling loops in general, and that's one of the more common instances of it. do you live somewhere flat? go ask the towtruck drivers who work the coquihalla highway in BC how many vehicle fires they see every year, and where those vehicle fires occur.

pengaru 5y ago

Overheating ICEs blow head gaskets and warp cylinder heads, they don't generally start fires. Fuel leaks and/or exhaust system failures, especially on turbocharged vehicles however...