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Why do you despise it so much? I use both WhatsApp and telegram and to be honest in daily use they might as well be the same app. Other than the fact that it'

by kace91 5y ago

Why do you despise it so much? I use both WhatsApp and telegram and to be honest in daily use they might as well be the same app. Other than the fact that it's owned by Facebook, I don't see any issues.

theshrike79 5y ago
Telegram has better tools for larger chats (bots, moderation etc). For 1-1 or smaller chats they're mostly interchangeable except for Telegram's better support for multiple devices.
- visarga 5y ago
  It would be great if WhatsApp group chats would allow a participant to mute another participant. I want to hide the antivax messages posted by a crazy parent in my kid's school group.
- guardian5x 5y ago
  Does Telegram have proper E2E encryption for chats by default?
  - kitkat_new 5y ago
    no and it is not even available for multi-device and group chat
    - terrywang 5y ago
      It makes sense because you shouldn't want messaging app's backend to transfer your device specific private encryption key across all your registered devices.
      - kitkat_new 5y ago
        why shouldn't I?
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    Nope, but I come from an IRC background so having unencrypted chats is perfectly normal. YMMV. I've been chatting in unencrypted channels since the mid 90's so I don't exactly see E2EE as a hard requirement. I'll switch my family chat to Signal or whatever as soon as I can add my home automation bot in there without some weird hacks or custom clients. The current implementation is a glorified Curl call for Discord and maybe 20 lines of Python for Telegram.
  - terrywang 5y ago
    Not on by default for 1 to 1 chat but it (Secret Chat) is optional, drawback is that the end-to-end encrypted conversation stays only on the devices initially it was initiated, because the encryption keys stay only on those 2 devices. For Telegram Group Chat - it is not end-to-end encrypted, Telegram uses distributed infrastructure approach to protected data not covered by End-to-End encryption. I wouldn't consider WhatsApp's Group Chat end-to-end encrypted.
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rahoulb 5y ago
> Other than the fact that it's owned by Facebook, I don't see any issues. That's a pretty big issue for me - whilst the original team were in place, I had a degree of trust for them, but since their departure (and the stories as to why), I trust it less and less. Unfortunately, for me and everyone I know - it's either iMessage or Whatsapp (depending on your choice of phone).
d3nj4l 5y ago
> the fact that it's owned by Facebook It's a pretty big issue, y'know.
hairofadog 5y ago
The last time I used it they made it pretty difficult to use without giving them access to my address book, which made it a nonstarter. It's one thing for me to decide to give up my own privacy, another thing to fork over the data of everyone I ever met.
animanoir 5y ago
Telegram is miles ahead of WhatsApp. They are basically copying functions from it, but in a lazy way. Apart from being owned by one of the worst corporations created in human civilization, WA is a really annoying piece of software, inflexible and generally worse than Telegram, which is a joy to use.

by kace91 5y ago

theshrike79 5y ago

Telegram has better tools for larger chats (bots, moderation etc). For 1-1 or smaller chats they're mostly interchangeable except for Telegram's better support for multiple devices.

visarga 5y ago
It would be great if WhatsApp group chats would allow a participant to mute another participant. I want to hide the antivax messages posted by a crazy parent in my kid's school group.
guardian5x 5y ago
Does Telegram have proper E2E encryption for chats by default?
- kitkat_new 5y ago
  no and it is not even available for multi-device and group chat
  - terrywang 5y ago
    It makes sense because you shouldn't want messaging app's backend to transfer your device specific private encryption key across all your registered devices.
    - kitkat_new 5y ago
      why shouldn't I?
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Nope, but I come from an IRC background so having unencrypted chats is perfectly normal. YMMV. I've been chatting in unencrypted channels since the mid 90's so I don't exactly see E2EE as a hard requirement. I'll switch my family chat to Signal or whatever as soon as I can add my home automation bot in there without some weird hacks or custom clients. The current implementation is a glorified Curl call for Discord and maybe 20 lines of Python for Telegram.
- terrywang 5y ago
  Not on by default for 1 to 1 chat but it (Secret Chat) is optional, drawback is that the end-to-end encrypted conversation stays only on the devices initially it was initiated, because the encryption keys stay only on those 2 devices. For Telegram Group Chat - it is not end-to-end encrypted, Telegram uses distributed infrastructure approach to protected data not covered by End-to-End encryption. I wouldn't consider WhatsApp's Group Chat end-to-end encrypted.
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rahoulb 5y ago

> Other than the fact that it's owned by Facebook, I don't see any issues. That's a pretty big issue for me - whilst the original team were in place, I had a degree of trust for them, but since their departure (and the stories as to why), I trust it less and less. Unfortunately, for me and everyone I know - it's either iMessage or Whatsapp (depending on your choice of phone).

d3nj4l 5y ago

> the fact that it's owned by Facebook It's a pretty big issue, y'know.

hairofadog 5y ago

The last time I used it they made it pretty difficult to use without giving them access to my address book, which made it a nonstarter. It's one thing for me to decide to give up my own privacy, another thing to fork over the data of everyone I ever met.

animanoir 5y ago

Telegram is miles ahead of WhatsApp. They are basically copying functions from it, but in a lazy way. Apart from being owned by one of the worst corporations created in human civilization, WA is a really annoying piece of software, inflexible and generally worse than Telegram, which is a joy to use.