Kibana and Loki both load full messages in their list page. You end up loading megabytes (sometimes hundreds of megabytes) of data but it only displays a few ki

Kibana and Loki both load full messages in their list page. You end up loading megabytes (sometimes hundreds of megabytes) of data but it only displays a few kilobytes. I don't know when we forgot the basic paradigm of list -> click -> details where loading the details is a separate http call. This is what datadog does, and the difference is staggering. Almost enough to make me abandon Kibana/Elastic and pay datadog. I can't let a ELK discussion pass without mentioning vector.dev (https://vector.dev https://vector.dev) which I'm not affiliated with aside from being a very happy user (for log ingestion).