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>I am really not sure why they keep losing users. Because, number one, they keep constantly making radical UI/UX changes that frustrate and alienate their long

>I am really not sure why they keep losing users. Because, number one, they keep constantly making radical UI/UX changes that frustrate and alienate their long term users who would rather they keep the "older look" which they got used to and works just fine for them, and number two, most websites are lazy so their devs only optimize for Chrome, even going the extra mile to explicitly state that "For best experience use Chrome" <face_palm> Edit: changes in tone and corrections after getting off the bus

quonn 5y ago
I think the UI is finally good on macOS. The only thing I find strange now is the button-like tab style. Which seems like a minor issue.
- ntp85 5y ago
  So do I. The UI also looks pretty good on GNOME.
- blitzar 5y ago
  But does it still halve my battery life?
  - tfehring 5y ago
    Yes, at least as of a month ago.
- asdff 5y ago
  you can even disable all that if you want. its completely customizable.
RheingoldRiver 5y ago
> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly, and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but everything else (i.e. Chrome) is so much worse that I'm stuck....
- yesenadam 5y ago
  I don't want to update, when the update is to something that looks horrible. (Last update I spent hours googling for scripts to reverse the appearance changes. Seems there were 1000s of people looking for the same thing!) But in FF preferences there are only 2 choices. 1. Automatically install updates (recommended) 2. Check for updates but let you choose to install them You would think I'd choose option 2, since I don't want updates, but I tried that, and I got a popup several times a day saying INSTALL UPDATE NOW OR LATER—no way to say "No I don't !%$@ want to update!" ... so after putting up with that for a while I changed to option 1 to avoid the neverending update popups. Not at all what I want though. Talk about a dark pattern. "let you choose to install them" indeed! Not "choose whether to install" but "bombard you with update popups until you crack and choose to install".
  - irthomasthomas 5y ago
    Sniff your browser traffic to figure out which url they use to poll for updates and block that on your router or firewall. If that doesn't work, maybe you can redirect it in hosts file, and spoof the response to say there's no new updates.
    - yesenadam 5y ago
      Thank you.
      - irthomasthomas 5y ago
        I think you can also do it with an enterprise policy flag https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/README.md#disableappupdate https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/READ...
  - readflaggedcomm 5y ago
    FWIW forums like reddit's r/FirefoxCSS usually have solutions as soon as changes roll out on Developer Edition, which is months ahead of the release. It was like that for the ugly new tabs, for instance, which I never had to deal with.
asdff 5y ago
You can revert back to the old quantum ui with a toggle for proton in your about:config
marssaxman 5y ago
I have come to dread that little firefox update notification because of the relentless, pointless UI churn. I wish they would just leave well enough alone. There's no way I would use Chrome, though, so I'm stuck with it.

quonn 5y ago

I think the UI is finally good on macOS. The only thing I find strange now is the button-like tab style. Which seems like a minor issue.

ntp85 5y ago
So do I. The UI also looks pretty good on GNOME.
blitzar 5y ago
But does it still halve my battery life?
- tfehring 5y ago
  Yes, at least as of a month ago.
asdff 5y ago
you can even disable all that if you want. its completely customizable.

RheingoldRiver 5y ago

> Because they keep making stupid UI)UX choices than alienate their users Cannot overstate this enough. They keep randomly changing their UI constantly, and it's especially frustrating when you have a bunch of custom CSS. I'm a bunch of versions behind & dreading updating because I don't want to spend the hours it'll take to fix my shit for their new version. I honestly hate this browser so much at this point, but everything else (i.e. Chrome) is so much worse that I'm stuck....

yesenadam 5y ago
I don't want to update, when the update is to something that looks horrible. (Last update I spent hours googling for scripts to reverse the appearance changes. Seems there were 1000s of people looking for the same thing!) But in FF preferences there are only 2 choices. 1. Automatically install updates (recommended) 2. Check for updates but let you choose to install them You would think I'd choose option 2, since I don't want updates, but I tried that, and I got a popup several times a day saying INSTALL UPDATE NOW OR LATER—no way to say "No I don't !%$@ want to update!" ... so after putting up with that for a while I changed to option 1 to avoid the neverending update popups. Not at all what I want though. Talk about a dark pattern. "let you choose to install them" indeed! Not "choose whether to install" but "bombard you with update popups until you crack and choose to install".
- irthomasthomas 5y ago
  Sniff your browser traffic to figure out which url they use to poll for updates and block that on your router or firewall. If that doesn't work, maybe you can redirect it in hosts file, and spoof the response to say there's no new updates.
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    Thank you.
    - irthomasthomas 5y ago
      I think you can also do it with an enterprise policy flag https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/README.md#disableappupdate https://github.com/mozilla/policy-templates/blob/master/READ...
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  FWIW forums like reddit's r/FirefoxCSS usually have solutions as soon as changes roll out on Developer Edition, which is months ahead of the release. It was like that for the ugly new tabs, for instance, which I never had to deal with.

asdff 5y ago

You can revert back to the old quantum ui with a toggle for proton in your about:config

marssaxman 5y ago

I have come to dread that little firefox update notification because of the relentless, pointless UI churn. I wish they would just leave well enough alone. There's no way I would use Chrome, though, so I'm stuck with it.