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Worth noting that most of this is a very US view of PhDs. In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would

by dagw 5y ago

Worth noting that most of this is a very US view of PhDs. In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would be. Also in Europe the concept that PhD means you want an academic career doesn't seem to be as true. I work with a lot of people who have PhDs and none of them did it because they wanted an academic career. In fact going back to get your PhD after working for a few years is surprisingly common, and in many cases your employer will partially sponsor that.

rscho 5y ago
I agree. This a very US centric view and it's much better in Europe. But Europe is steering towards the US education model. A big loss, IMO.
circlefavshape 5y ago
> In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would be. Not in Ireland
reallydontask 5y ago
> In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would be. I'd be surprised if this were the case. In the UK, stipend is ~£16k. You do get to keep student benefits, e.g. no council tax and don't pay taxes but even then it's below what a lot (most?) graduates make.
- lou1306 5y ago
  It is well-known that UK doctoral scholarships (as well as postdocs) are pretty low, especially considering the cost of life there. In the rest of Europe, grandparent's remark mostly holds. In France, for instance, students get bout 1.7kEUR/month [0], and life is cheaper (unless you're in Paris). Maybe you'd get a slightly higher salary in a company, but the difference is not that big. [0]: https://academicpositions.com/career-advice/professor-salaries-in-france https://academicpositions.com/career-advice/professor-salari...
- AgentMatt 5y ago
  For germany, I've heard of people getting around 2.7k € per month in CS (so around 32k € per year). Definitely below industry starting salaries (which are around 50-60k as far as I heard), but still decent.

by dagw 5y ago

rscho 5y ago

I agree. This a very US centric view and it's much better in Europe. But Europe is steering towards the US education model. A big loss, IMO.

circlefavshape 5y ago

> In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would be. Not in Ireland

reallydontask 5y ago

> In Europe most PhD students earn pretty close to what their starting salary fresh out of school would be. I'd be surprised if this were the case. In the UK, stipend is ~£16k. You do get to keep student benefits, e.g. no council tax and don't pay taxes but even then it's below what a lot (most?) graduates make.

lou1306 5y ago
It is well-known that UK doctoral scholarships (as well as postdocs) are pretty low, especially considering the cost of life there. In the rest of Europe, grandparent's remark mostly holds. In France, for instance, students get bout 1.7kEUR/month [0], and life is cheaper (unless you're in Paris). Maybe you'd get a slightly higher salary in a company, but the difference is not that big. [0]: https://academicpositions.com/career-advice/professor-salaries-in-france https://academicpositions.com/career-advice/professor-salari...
AgentMatt 5y ago
For germany, I've heard of people getting around 2.7k € per month in CS (so around 32k € per year). Definitely below industry starting salaries (which are around 50-60k as far as I heard), but still decent.