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It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling

It absolutely has. I maintain that without social media, which simultaneously provided a way into everyone's thoughts, and also contented people with a feeling of connectedness while living under house arrest conditions of historic proportions, people would have simply rejected the whole campaign of Covid restrictions.

otikik 5y ago
And Brexit
- lmm 5y ago
  You've got that backwards. Brexit is the prime example of the British public rejecting a campaign that was being pushed on them.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Both sides did heavy pushing, albeit one included much more lies (where are the 350 million per week for the NHS, Boris?)
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Weren't there a lot of fearmongering whoppers of budget black holes, economic collapse, shortages and famine, increased risk of war, etc., coming out of remain? How do you judge which side lied more?
      - gotorazor 5y ago
        They are literally running out of petrol right now. Grocery store shelves empty. Still year one.
        lithium_throw 5y ago
        More like - Brexit has highlighted the state of our crumbling and badly-run domestic HGV industry, now that there isn't a pool of Eastern Europeans prepared to do the work for lower wages. Personally, I'm excited to see an industry given such a chance to redeem and re-structure itself for the better.
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        I didn't say there would be no positives or negatives to either side, I said there were lies from both sides. Which there clearly were. I just find it strange that people think one side has the high ground because they didn't lie to the public quite so much, according to people who lied to the public.
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sofixa 5y ago
Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?
- lithium_throw 5y ago
  When? Maybe a town or village got isolated, and becaome the "unclean" zone. There is absolutely no precedent for putting entire countries under effective house arrest for months at a time, and for a disease with such a low mortality rate.
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- Gibbon1 5y ago
  Because they all feel a need to deny that people willingly participating have both agency and practical intelligence. Agency you make decisions and act on them. Practical intelligence means being able to weigh risks and your own knowledge to make appropriately hedged bets. And another thing people engaging in prosocial mitigations have seen that they actually work and thus feel a sense of control over the situation. That in particular rankles political and public health leaders, and especially rankles covid denialists.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  Has Canada, a territory of extremely low population density, been under strict stay-at-home orders - prohibiting not "to see other people", but just to leave the house? I remember the months-old anecdote of a policeman accusing a driver, while fining him, to have put the community at risk, because in case of car accident he would have forced human interaction. I am not sure - I have little information. So, right: if that is factual (it is unfortunately possible), to arrive to such degree of irrationality and abuse against clean, linear thinking and good sense, social media can only have a relative weight.
  - sofixa 5y ago

otikik 5y ago

And Brexit

lmm 5y ago
You've got that backwards. Brexit is the prime example of the British public rejecting a campaign that was being pushed on them.
- sofixa 5y ago
  Both sides did heavy pushing, albeit one included much more lies (where are the 350 million per week for the NHS, Boris?)
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Weren't there a lot of fearmongering whoppers of budget black holes, economic collapse, shortages and famine, increased risk of war, etc., coming out of remain? How do you judge which side lied more?
    - gotorazor 5y ago
      They are literally running out of petrol right now. Grocery store shelves empty. Still year one.
      - lithium_throw 5y ago
        More like - Brexit has highlighted the state of our crumbling and badly-run domestic HGV industry, now that there isn't a pool of Eastern Europeans prepared to do the work for lower wages. Personally, I'm excited to see an industry given such a chance to redeem and re-structure itself for the better.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        I didn't say there would be no positives or negatives to either side, I said there were lies from both sides. Which there clearly were. I just find it strange that people think one side has the high ground because they didn't lie to the public quite so much, according to people who lied to the public.
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sofixa 5y ago

Quarantines and lockdowns have been used throughout history to combat epidemics, with great success. Why do you think that the only thing that made people accept the latest ones is social media?

lithium_throw 5y ago
When? Maybe a town or village got isolated, and becaome the "unclean" zone. There is absolutely no precedent for putting entire countries under effective house arrest for months at a time, and for a disease with such a low mortality rate.
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Gibbon1 5y ago
Because they all feel a need to deny that people willingly participating have both agency and practical intelligence. Agency you make decisions and act on them. Practical intelligence means being able to weigh risks and your own knowledge to make appropriately hedged bets. And another thing people engaging in prosocial mitigations have seen that they actually work and thus feel a sense of control over the situation. That in particular rankles political and public health leaders, and especially rankles covid denialists.
mdp2021 5y ago
Has Canada, a territory of extremely low population density, been under strict stay-at-home orders - prohibiting not "to see other people", but just to leave the house? I remember the months-old anecdote of a policeman accusing a driver, while fining him, to have put the community at risk, because in case of car accident he would have forced human interaction. I am not sure - I have little information. So, right: if that is factual (it is unfortunately possible), to arrive to such degree of irrationality and abuse against clean, linear thinking and good sense, social media can only have a relative weight.
- sofixa 5y ago