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Yes, that's typical of the West to call any contradicting information as "paid by Russian government". It never cease to amaze me how hard US population believ

Yes, that's typical of the West to call any contradicting information as "paid by Russian government". It never cease to amaze me how hard US population believes that it has some kind of monopoly on truth. That no other nation or person can know the truth, but US is always right.

throwaway894345 5y ago
To be clear, it’s not “the US”, but virtually the entire world including a great many Russians.
- anticodon 5y ago
  Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. That's the main difference between us and the "collective West". Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. The level of ignorance is so high that there're cases where it is beyond facepalm. E.g. utterances of Jane Psaki about shores of Belarus, or recent declaration in French newspaper that Ukraine invaded Crimea in 2014. You guys know nothing, absolutely nothing. You live in a bubble created by ignorance, not knowing a single foreign language, inability to consume any information but lies fabricated by your media that belong to 5-6 rich persons that push a single agenda in unison. Yet you're ready to kill millions based on that misinformation.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. 1. The US doesn't do this. 2. This is an apt description of USSR history, which is of course Russian history. > Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. Yes, I'm sure the free media all over the world (including those of the countries you've mentioned) is wrong and the Russian state media outlets are telling the truth. (:
    - anticodon 5y ago
      > 1. The US doesn't do this. US killed tens, maybe hundreds of millions directly and indirectly. Starting from the very beginning of its existence (genocide of natives). Ending with Libya, which is a failed state now, with slaves and anarchy, thanks to the help of US and NATO. > 2. This is an apt description of USSR history, which is of course Russian history. Russia (and USSR) was not always right. But it never genocided whole populations, there was never colonies of Russia that were exploited like African or Asian colonies. USSR, for example, pumped a lot of its income not into the Russian population but in the limitrophe republics (Estonia, Latvia, Uzbekistan, etc). It is not the same. > es, I'm sure the free media all over the world Free media, LOL. People need to live somewhere, you know buy or rent an apartment or house. Buy food, pay for electricity and heat. Nobody is free from that. So journalist, you know, usually work for some organization that pays them salary. That organization determines what they should write about and how, where to put accents in the articles. There're not many such organizations. They all belong to some mega-corporations, holdings, etc, that in turn belong to a very limited circle (no more than 10 persons worldwide). Where would the truth appear in this scheme of things? Are you really that naive?
    - anticodon 5y ago
      Besides, when I speak about ignorance, I speak from experience. I can open BBC news or CNN and read something about Russia and make facepalm 1000th time when I read about some fact about the place where I live or some event I witnessed. You, people on the West, don't know what we know about you. What we read in our news about you, what we think about you. So even if you suppose we're brainwashed, you can't have any evidence of it.
HatchedLake721 5y ago
a) I'm not "US population", I was born in the USSR and my first language is Russian b) Using "West" gives away you're from Russia or the neighbouring countries c) Your "truth" of “highly likely", no single piece of evidence, Germany/Navalny, etc are cheap arguments that are exaggerated and repeated non-stop by Solovyov/Simonyan and other state actors that instil fear and hatred into Russian people every day. Each of your arguments is easily debunked within a few minutes of Googling around, including looking at investigations from within Russia (e.g. by The Insider) that used corrupt sources to buy passport copies, geolocation, flight history and phone metadata from the internal police databases. These investigations are never mentioned or even rejected by the state or the media. The reason? Because you can buy the same data and come to the same conclusions and confirm the investigation yourself.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  You know? I'm maybe visiting rt.com and sputniknews.com once a week, rather less, sometimes weeks between, and skim headlines. That's all. But that Nawalny thing stinks. It has the typical pattern of getting some useful idiot somewhere, build him/her up, have some ankle-biters who don't know any better bark for him, and try to stir up dissent where it is useful for you. If it works? Good! If not? Poor bastard. Next!

throwaway894345 5y ago

To be clear, it’s not “the US”, but virtually the entire world including a great many Russians.

anticodon 5y ago
Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. That's the main difference between us and the "collective West". Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. The level of ignorance is so high that there're cases where it is beyond facepalm. E.g. utterances of Jane Psaki about shores of Belarus, or recent declaration in French newspaper that Ukraine invaded Crimea in 2014. You guys know nothing, absolutely nothing. You live in a bubble created by ignorance, not knowing a single foreign language, inability to consume any information but lies fabricated by your media that belong to 5-6 rich persons that push a single agenda in unison. Yet you're ready to kill millions based on that misinformation.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. 1. The US doesn't do this. 2. This is an apt description of USSR history, which is of course Russian history. > Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. Yes, I'm sure the free media all over the world (including those of the countries you've mentioned) is wrong and the Russian state media outlets are telling the truth. (:
  - anticodon 5y ago
    > 1. The US doesn't do this. US killed tens, maybe hundreds of millions directly and indirectly. Starting from the very beginning of its existence (genocide of natives). Ending with Libya, which is a failed state now, with slaves and anarchy, thanks to the help of US and NATO. > 2. This is an apt description of USSR history, which is of course Russian history. Russia (and USSR) was not always right. But it never genocided whole populations, there was never colonies of Russia that were exploited like African or Asian colonies. USSR, for example, pumped a lot of its income not into the Russian population but in the limitrophe republics (Estonia, Latvia, Uzbekistan, etc). It is not the same. > es, I'm sure the free media all over the world Free media, LOL. People need to live somewhere, you know buy or rent an apartment or house. Buy food, pay for electricity and heat. Nobody is free from that. So journalist, you know, usually work for some organization that pays them salary. That organization determines what they should write about and how, where to put accents in the articles. There're not many such organizations. They all belong to some mega-corporations, holdings, etc, that in turn belong to a very limited circle (no more than 10 persons worldwide). Where would the truth appear in this scheme of things? Are you really that naive?
  - anticodon 5y ago
    Besides, when I speak about ignorance, I speak from experience. I can open BBC news or CNN and read something about Russia and make facepalm 1000th time when I read about some fact about the place where I live or some event I witnessed. You, people on the West, don't know what we know about you. What we read in our news about you, what we think about you. So even if you suppose we're brainwashed, you can't have any evidence of it.

HatchedLake721 5y ago

a) I'm not "US population", I was born in the USSR and my first language is Russian b) Using "West" gives away you're from Russia or the neighbouring countries c) Your "truth" of “highly likely", no single piece of evidence, Germany/Navalny, etc are cheap arguments that are exaggerated and repeated non-stop by Solovyov/Simonyan and other state actors that instil fear and hatred into Russian people every day. Each of your arguments is easily debunked within a few minutes of Googling around, including looking at investigations from within Russia (e.g. by The Insider) that used corrupt sources to buy passport copies, geolocation, flight history and phone metadata from the internal police databases. These investigations are never mentioned or even rejected by the state or the media. The reason? Because you can buy the same data and come to the same conclusions and confirm the investigation yourself.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
You know? I'm maybe visiting rt.com and sputniknews.com once a week, rather less, sometimes weeks between, and skim headlines. That's all. But that Nawalny thing stinks. It has the typical pattern of getting some useful idiot somewhere, build him/her up, have some ankle-biters who don't know any better bark for him, and try to stir up dissent where it is useful for you. If it works? Good! If not? Poor bastard. Next!