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I also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug, not unlike how the EU is currently in the process of forcing Apple to standa

by jussij 5y ago

I also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug, not unlike how the EU is currently in the process of forcing Apple to standardize on it's iPhone charger connector.

durkie 5y ago
they already do. EU Tesla's have a different (and standard plug) compared to North American Teslas
crazysim 5y ago
I thought EU was already forcing CCS for Tesla?
- Reason077 5y ago
  There is no rule that requires car makers to use CCS in Europe. Just the charging network providers. Nissan and Lexus are still selling brand new EVs with the CHAdeMO connector.
clouddrover 5y ago
Tesla switched to CCS in Europe a couple of years ago: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n...
simondotau 5y ago
Tesla switched to CCS in Australia without being forced by our government. Completely voluntary. IMHO Tesla shouldn’t just ship a dongle. They should put CCS + Tesla plugs in the charge port of all new North American vehicles. Even if the latter is hidden behind a second manual door. They already put dual sockets on Teslas in other world markets, so it’s totally doable.
- Reason077 5y ago
  Tesla does not have vehicles with dual DC charging sockets anywhere. In China you see two plugs, but that's because one of them is for AC charging (China's gender-reversed Type 2 connector) and the other is for DC charging (China GB/T connector). It's somewhat difficult and costly to put multiple DC charging sockets on a vehicle because you need additional high-voltage switches/relays and cabling. Each DC socket must be interlocked and isolated while the other is in use.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    If the sockets are right next to each other, couldn’t the interlock be entirely mechanical? Pushing a connector into one socket disconnects the DC from the other socket.
Reason077 5y ago
> "I also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug" Tesla already uses the standard plug in Europe and most of the world. Countries and territories where Tesla use the Tesla connector: United States Puerto Rico Mexico Canada Japan South Korea Countries where Tesla use the China GB/T connector: China (mainland) Countries and territories where Tesla use CCS2: Austria Belgium Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Luxembourg The Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Romania Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Taiwan [1] Macau Hong Kong Singapore Australia New Zealand Israel Jordan United Arab Emirates [1] Tesla transitioning to CCS2 in Taiwan during 2021

by jussij 5y ago

I also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug, not unlike how the EU is currently in the process of forcing Apple to standardize on it's iPhone charger connector.

durkie 5y ago

they already do. EU Tesla's have a different (and standard plug) compared to North American Teslas

crazysim 5y ago

I thought EU was already forcing CCS for Tesla?

Reason077 5y ago
There is no rule that requires car makers to use CCS in Europe. Just the charging network providers. Nissan and Lexus are still selling brand new EVs with the CHAdeMO connector.

clouddrover 5y ago

Tesla switched to CCS in Europe a couple of years ago: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n...

simondotau 5y ago

Tesla switched to CCS in Australia without being forced by our government. Completely voluntary. IMHO Tesla shouldn’t just ship a dongle. They should put CCS + Tesla plugs in the charge port of all new North American vehicles. Even if the latter is hidden behind a second manual door. They already put dual sockets on Teslas in other world markets, so it’s totally doable.

Reason077 5y ago
Tesla does not have vehicles with dual DC charging sockets anywhere. In China you see two plugs, but that's because one of them is for AC charging (China's gender-reversed Type 2 connector) and the other is for DC charging (China GB/T connector). It's somewhat difficult and costly to put multiple DC charging sockets on a vehicle because you need additional high-voltage switches/relays and cabling. Each DC socket must be interlocked and isolated while the other is in use.
- simondotau 5y ago
  If the sockets are right next to each other, couldn’t the interlock be entirely mechanical? Pushing a connector into one socket disconnects the DC from the other socket.

Reason077 5y ago

> "I also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug" Tesla already uses the standard plug in Europe and most of the world. Countries and territories where Tesla use the Tesla connector: United States Puerto Rico Mexico Canada Japan South Korea Countries where Tesla use the China GB/T connector: China (mainland) Countries and territories where Tesla use CCS2: Austria Belgium Croatia Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Luxembourg The Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Romania Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland United Kingdom Taiwan [1] Macau Hong Kong Singapore Australia New Zealand Israel Jordan United Arab Emirates [1] Tesla transitioning to CCS2 in Taiwan during 2021